If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: SYS64738 to All on Thu Aug 01 2024 05:04 pm

If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

If fraudulent votes are allowed, I would cast some for Trump if just because Trump was a bit of an isolationist and didn't want to put the US in affairs that didn't belong to the US.

Biden being the police of the world has carried a heavy indirect cost to European powers.


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If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

Not Harris. It is a toss up between Trump and RFK Jr.

Some of the potential running mates floated for Harris would be of interest
if they were the ones running for President instead. The only thing I can
find impressive about Harris is that she "isn't Trump." While that is
plenty enough for others to want to vote for her, it is not anywhere near plenty enough for me.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Dumas Walker to SYS64738 on Fri Aug 02 2024 08:22 am

If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

Not Harris. It is a toss up between Trump and RFK Jr.

rfk's voice is fucked up from that dysphonia disease.
That makes him look bad, so despite qualifications and ability, that will affect him greatly. this is largely a dog and pony show.
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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 02 2024 01:02 pm

rfk's voice is fucked up from that dysphonia disease. That makes him look bad, so despite qualifications and ability, that will affect him greatly. this is largely a dog and pony show.

Yes, it's clearly his voice and not "Vaccines cause autism", "The CIA killed my uncle", "WI-FI causes cancer and 'leaky brain'", "Antidepressants cause school shootings", and tons of other conspiracy theories he spouts on a constant basis.

That guy actually makes Trump look smart.

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If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

I live in California, electoral college vote will go to Kamala Harris
even if she was losing her marbles like Biden.
Still going to vote for Trump.

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If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

I live in California, electoral college vote will go to Kamala Harris
even if she was losing her marbles like Biden.
Still going to vote for Trump.

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If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

Trump.

Having Kamala would be a disaster for America.
She would be another elitist pupet president.

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I am doing better than i used to, but i will have to wait 15 years
before i can move to Georgia or North Carolina.


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I am doing better than i used to, but i will have to wait 15 years
before i can move to Georgia or North Carolina.

Why? The cost of living is probably half of what it is there in
Kalifornia. Plus a few dozen other good reasons.



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If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

Vice President Harris, obviously. She's the only sane choice.

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Vice President Harris, obviously. She's the only sane choice.

I'm still undecided though I am leaning towards Trump since I am a results-driven voter. Not trying to start an argument, but I just recognize that he had good results on the economy and illegal immigration.

However, I'm not as well-versed on Harris. Could you give me some of her achievements?

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If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

Not Harris. It is a toss up between Trump and RFK Jr.

rfk's voice is fucked up from that dysphonia disease.
That makes him look bad, so despite qualifications and ability, that will affect him greatly. this is largely a dog and pony show.

I was not sure what was causing it but, yes, he is very difficult to listen
to and I agree it will likely hinder any success he might have as a
third-party candidate.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: halian to SYS64738 on Sun Aug 04 2024 08:03 pm

If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

Vice President Harris, obviously. She's the only sane choice.

i know why you're voting for kamalla

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: SYS64738 to halian on Sun Aug 04 2024 08:05 pm

Vice President Harris, obviously. She's the only sane choice.

I'm still undecided though I am leaning towards Trump since I am a results-driven voter. Not trying to start an argument, but I just recognize that he had good results on the economy and illegal immigration.

However, I'm not as well-versed on Harris. Could you give me some of her achievements?

keeping innocent people in prison. suppressing evidence. giving montel williams head.


"As Attorney General, Harris has a history of fighting to keep men she knew were innocent in prison and of hiding cases of significant illegal activity conducted by law enforcement. In 1999, Daniel Larsen was sentenced to 27 years to life in prison for possession of a concealed weapon. There had been nine witnesses who could testify that Larsen was not guilty, but the court called none of them at the trial because of his incompetent and now disbarred attorney. With the help of the Innocence Project, he was able to prove his innocence, and the court overturned his conviction in 2009.

How does this involve Senator Harris? She challenged his release not because she believed he was guilty-she did not dispute his innocence-but because he hadn't presented proof of his innocence quickly enough. And so, she fought to keep a man she definitely knew was innocent behind bars for life (NBCLosAngeles, "After 13 Years in Prison, Man Found Innocent of Crime Freed," 3.20.2013)."

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Aug 04 2024 05:14 pm

rfk's voice is fucked up from that dysphonia disease.
That makes him look bad, so despite qualifications and ability, that will affect him greatly. this is largely a dog and pony show.

I was not sure what was causing it but, yes, he is very difficult to listen

"spasmodic dysphonia, a neurological disorder "
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Biden being the police of the world has carried a heavy indirect cost to European powers.

And a heavy direct cost to us. This keeping the war machine going business
is getting old.


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Yes, it's clearly his voice and not "Vaccines cause autism",

There is that.

"The CIA killed my uncle"

There are some otherwise not prone to conspiracy people who also believe
this one, or variations of it.

"Antidepressants cause school shootings"

Look up "Standard Gravure shooting" on Wikipedia. A jury eventually found
in Eli Lily's favor. However, that verdict was changed to "settled" after
the Judge uncovered a secret agreement between Lily and the plantiffs where
the plantiffs would withhold additional evidence against Lily.

If you look up Prozac, it says that it is the SSRI "most prone to causing insomnia and agitation." When you first start taking an SSRI is when many
of the side-effects are most intense, and is why some people quit taking
them after/during the first week. This is also the period where some
patients experience lower inhibitions.

So if you add something that increases the insomnia and agitation of a
patient that is already on the brink, sort term it will likely make things worse.

If you contine to read about Prozac, it is also one that is more likely to
be prescribed to persons under 25, even though it still puts them at risk
of an increase in suicidal behavior. Many SSRI drugs are not recommended for school-aged persons due to the potential increase of suicidal tendencies,
and many school shooters kill themselves after killing classmates.

While saying they are a sole cause of school shootings is not right, saying that they can increase the risk (when prescribed to the wrong patients) seems to be stating a known thing.


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However, I'm not as well-versed on Harris. Could you give me some of her achievements?

keeping innocent people in prison. suppressing evidence. giving montel williams head.

I would add "jump-starting her political career by being the mistress to
Willie Brown, a highly successful and influential politician in her area of California" to her list of accomplishments.

The Willie Brown bit is not speculation, either. Willie was quite open
about how he introduced her into the local political circles and helped
finance at least one of her campaigns. Harris disassociated from Brown once he'd helped her climb the political ladder high enough (and once he'd gone
back to his wife).

No affair with Willie = no introduction to politics = she is never in the picture for VP pick in 2020.

So, she is basically Monica Lewinsky if Monica had aspired to a political career. And, yes, you could probably subsitute Stormy Daniels here and
it'd be the same difference.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Dumas Walker to SYS64738 on Mon Aug 05 2024 10:02 am

So, she is basically Monica Lewinsky if Monica had aspired to a political career. And, yes, you could probably subsitute Stormy Daniels here and
it'd be the same difference.

yeah i didn't bring that up because that's common knowledge. or should be.
but then again, people think she's a good choice and 'sane'.
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So, she is basically Monica Lewinsky if Monica had aspired to a political career. And, yes, you could probably subsitute Stormy Daniels here and it'd be the same difference.

yeah i didn't bring that up because that's common knowledge. or should be. but then again, people think she's a good choice and 'sane'.

I believe it should be common knowledge but it apparently either isn't, or
some people don't believe it is true.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Aug 06 2024 10:13 am

So, she is basically Monica Lewinsky if Monica had aspired to a politic > > > career. And, yes, you could probably subsitute Stormy Daniels here and > > > it'd be the same difference.

yeah i didn't bring that up because that's common knowledge. or should be. > > but then again, people think she's a good choice and 'sane'.

I believe it should be common knowledge but it apparently either isn't, or some people don't believe it is true.

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Total lack of evidence for these arguments. Kamala hasn't done anything to make comments like that. I just thought she was too conservative actually, but Biden ended
up beating her and Bernie. I thought Bernie was an ideal candidate, but even if he did win he'd never get any of that stuff done, so kinda a waste of time
supporting Bernie at this point back then.

At this point if we're going to vote for a Democrat it needs to be another moderate like Biden and Harris. Obama was a little more left leaning, but nothing like Bernie Sanders, and especially nothing like the average politicianwith almost any party in Europe, they are all more left leaning.

America is uniqe place in the world, and the entire country is right leaning. Our democrats are nothing but moderates here. We don't know what true socialism
is because we haven't lived through that for even 1 second.

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I believe it should be common knowledge but it apparently either isn't, or some people don't believe it is true.

If elected, Harris and Walz intend to take away your ability to defend your family and yourself. https://youtube.com/shorts/SMEqzqHvQmA?feature=shared

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: SYS64738 to All on Thu Aug 01 2024 05:04 pm

If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

Harris.

Pros:

Already in the white house with an administration that is helping the economy. She can keep some of those people if she wants.
She doesn't have to be the brightest smartest person in the room, she needs to lead our country with values of the nation and her party both. She will have advisors and experienced people to help who already in the administration. Younger than Biden or Trump, or RFK, and not suffering mental illness.
Most likely to defeat Trump, and help save us from potentially changing the election process so that Trump can stay in power as long as he wants.

Cons:
Not my favorite candidate from the prior election. She isn't liberal enough in my opinion. In my opinion, she is a moderate who has an interesting personality to put it politely. Don't think she has mental health problems though, that's another thing.
The fact that she is a woman may skew the polls. All the people who are not responding to polls (I've never gotten a poll call myself come to think of it.), many of them will simply choose to not vote for her simply because she is a
woman. I would think most of us people using this BBS can respect women betterthan that, but not every US citizen. So although this isn't a downfall of herown and she deserves an equal chance on that alone, it could put the actual
election at risk in the actual vote tally, and not so much the polls.

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 06 2024 03:34 pm

So, she is basically Monica Lewinsky if Monica had aspired to a politic

career. And, yes, you could probably subsitute Stormy Daniels

I believe it should be common knowledge but it apparently either isn't, or some people don't believe it is true.

Total lack of evidence for these arguments.

you're a funny guy!

https://i.imgur.com/dBGtnJ9.png

At this point if we're going to vote for a Democrat it needs to be another moderate like Biden and Harris. Obama was a little more left leaning, but

the REAL biden is more conservative than most republicans. that man is no longer with us.

America is uniqe place in the world, and the entire country is right leaning.

Why do you think this? it is very wrong.
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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to SYS64738 on Tue Aug 06 2024 06:11 pm

Already in the white house with an administration that is helping the economy. She can keep some of those people if she wants.

Helping the economy??? What planet are you talking about here? Biden/Harris destroyed the economy.

Trump gas = $1.80/gal
Biden gas = $3.60/gal

That's all you need to know about what destroyed the economy. Gas goes up... everything else goes up. Jeez...

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Bf2k+ to Neofree on Wed Aug 07 2024 03:26 am

Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to SYS64738 on Tue Aug 06 2024 06:11 pm

Already in the white house with an administration that is helping the economy. She can keep some of those people if she wants.

Helping the economy??? What planet are you talking about here?
Biden/Harris destroyed the economy.

Trump gas = $1.80/gal
Biden gas = $3.60/gal

That's all you need to know about what destroyed the economy. Gas goes up... everything else goes up. Jeez...

i worked in the energy industry for 17 years. everything is related to oil and natural gas. everything eventually is affected by the changes in the industry. every single thing.
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Not my favorite candidate from the prior election. She isn't liberal enough in my opinion. In my opinion, she is a moderate who has an interesting personality to put it politely.

She was ranked as the most liberal senator of 2019, and that's not "liberal enough"? https://checkyourfact.com/2024/07/24/fact-check-was-kamala-harris-ranked-the-mo st-liberal-senator-by-govtrack/

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So, she is basically Monica Lewinsky if Monica had aspired to a politic >> > > > > > career. And, yes, you could probably subsitute Stormy Daniels >> > > here and > > > it'd be the same difference.

yeah i didn't bring that up because that's common knowledge. or should be. >> > > > but then again, people think she's a good choice and 'sane'.

I believe it should be common knowledge but it apparently either isn't, or some people don't believe it is true.

Total lack of evidence for these arguments.

Lack of evidence that it happened (which is incorrect), or lack of evidence that no one believes it is true (could be correct)?

Kamala hasn't done anything to make comments like that.

Kamala's relationship with a married Willie Brown was indeed what lead to
her introduction to, and future in, politics. While they were dating, he
gave her "patronage" appointments to two high profile boards, and later financially backed her run for San Fransisco DA.

"Patronage" is not my word, it is the San Fransisco Chronicle's word.

I just thought she was too conservative actually, but
Biden ended up beating her and Bernie.

Biden, Bernie, and even Tulsi Gabbard ended up beating her, which was
really easy to do because she received ZERO delegates while she was in the
2016 race. All of the above, and I think even one or two others, managed
to win at least a few delegates.


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I believe it should be common knowledge but it apparently either isn't, or some people don't believe it is true.

If elected, Harris and Walz intend to take away your ability to defend your family and yourself. https://youtube.com/shorts/SMEqzqHvQmA?feature=shared

Yes, and this is a very important "future potential accomplishment" that shouldn't be ignored.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Bf2k+ to Neofree on Wed Aug 07 2024 03:26 am

Helping the economy??? What planet are you talking about here? Biden/Harris destroyed the economy.

Trump gas = $1.80/gal
Biden gas = $3.60/gal

That's all you need to know about what destroyed the economy. Gas goes up... everything else goes up. Jeez...

:catstare:

Yeah, it's not like there was a global pandemic going on so no one was driving anywhere when gas was that low.

Presidents have very little to do with the price of gas. Sure they can do things to try and swing it a bit in one direction or another, but they don't control global markets.

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On Wed, 7 Aug 2024 14:49:06 -0500, you wrote:

Yeah, it's not like there was a global pandemic going on so no one was driving anywhere when gas was that low.

Was there? I hadn't noticed. I had to go to work. Every. Single. Day. But then again, according to the very first list of "essential" businesses, I was topping the charts by building a liquor store at the time. :/
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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: MRO to Bf2k+ on Wed Aug 07 2024 07:59 am

That's all you need to know about what destroyed the economy. Gas goes up... everything else goes up. Jeez...

i worked in the energy industry for 17 years. everything is related to oil and natural gas. everything eventually is affected by the changes in the industry. every single thing.

Exactly! I can't for the life of me understand why people can't see the reality of this.

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Accession to DaiTengu on Wed Aug 07 2024 06:53 pm

Yeah, it's not like there was a global pandemic going on so no one was
driving anywhere when gas was that low.

Was there? I hadn't noticed. I had to go to work. Every. Single. Day. But then again, according to the very first list of "essential" businesses, I was topping the charts by building a liquor store at the time. :/

This is Wisconsin. Of course building liquor stores was (is!) the most essential thing, especially during a pandemic.

How else are we supposed to get our medicine? Alcohol kills viruses, right?

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Bf2k+ to MRO on Thu Aug 08 2024 05:33 am

Re: Trump or Harris?
By: MRO to Bf2k+ on Wed Aug 07 2024 07:59 am

That's all you need to know about what destroyed the economy. Gas goes up... everything else goes up. Jeez...

i worked in the energy industry for 17 years. everything is related to oil and natural gas. everything eventually is affected by the changes in the industry. every single thing.

Exactly! I can't for the life of me understand why people can't see the reality of this.

people are taught lies and they are taught to be ignorant at a young age.
I'm in my late 40s and I was told everythin can run and should run on solar. that's impossible.
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If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

Vice President Harris, obviously. She's the only sane choice.

i know why you're voting for kamalla

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False. Am aromantic and asexual, so that doesn't work on me. Not sorry for bursting your bubble.

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Vice President Harris, obviously. She's the only sane choice.

i know why you're voting for kamalla

MR> https://ibb.co/ph9XBr1

False. Am aromantic and asexual, so that doesn't work on me.

Wow. The strangeness gets.... stranger.

At least you're brainwashed and indoctrinated, though.



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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Bf2k+ to Neofree on Wed Aug 07 2024 03:26 am

Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to SYS64738 on Tue Aug 06 2024 06:11 pm

Already in the white house with an administration that is helping the economy. She can keep some of those people if she wants.

Helping the economy??? What planet are you talking about here? Biden/Harri > destroyed the economy.

Trump gas = $1.80/gal
Biden gas = $3.60/gal

These are facts? No they are not. I paid more than $3.60 of gas during the Trump administration when COVID hit. You do remember that COVID hit under Trump's term right? You do realize all the problems Trump caused makes Biden look bad because Trump's policies didn't actually really start taking effect until after Biden was in office.

That's all you need to know about what destroyed the economy. Gas goes up... > everything else goes up. Jeez...

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: SYS64738 to Neofree on Wed Aug 07 2024 08:40 am

Not my favorite candidate from the prior election. She isn't liberal eno > > in my opinion. In my opinion, she is a moderate who has an interesting
personality to put it politely.

She was ranked as the most liberal senator of 2019, and that's not "liberal enough"? https://checkyourfact.com/2024/07/24/fact-check-was-kamala-harris-ranked-the > st-liberal-senator-by-govtrack/

And how is this a reputable website? I can make up stuff too and put it on theweb. You need to verify facts just like a book report in school and listing
more than one reference.

Is this really a Debate forum? So far you you created a debate called
"Trump or Harris?" which invites people who support both to respond.

But also so far, I have been basically treated like an idiot for supporting Harris. Is there not a single person who may understand or agree? If there isn't then this Debate forum isn't a debate forum at all and should be renamed. Thanks

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to Bf2k+ on Thu Aug 08 2024 08:50 pm

Trump gas = $1.80/gal
Biden gas = $3.60/gal

These are facts? No they are not. I paid more than $3.60 of gas during the Trump administration when COVID hit.

No you didn't! even with Covid under Trump it never reached $3.00.
When Sleepy Joe shut down most fracking operations and Pipelines and offshore drilling, then we had to buy oil from other countries, thats when prices skyrocketed.
Here are the last few months of the Trump administration, and the 1st few months of the Biden administration.

2020-May05/04 1.883 05/11 1.941 05/18 1.969 05/25 2.049
2020-Jun06/01 2.064 06/08 2.123 06/15 2.185 06/22 2.216 06/29 2.260
2020-Jul07/06 2.265 07/13 2.283 07/20 2.275 07/27 2.265
2020-Aug08/03 2.266 08/10 2.256 08/17 2.256 08/24 2.272 08/31 2.311
2020-Sep09/07 2.302 09/14 2.274 09/21 2.259 09/28 2.259
2020-Oct10/05 2.262 10/12 2.257 10/19 2.240 10/26 2.234
2020-Nov11/02 2.204 11/09 2.188 11/16 2.202 11/23 2.194 11/30 2.211
2020-Dec12/07 2.246 12/14 2.247 12/21 2.311 12/28 2.330
2021-Jan01/04 2.336 01/11 2.403 01/18 2.464 01/25 2.478
2021-Feb02/01 2.495 02/08 2.548 02/15 2.588 02/22 2.717
2021-Mar03/01 2.796 03/08 2.857 03/15 2.940 03/22 2.954 03/29 2.941
2021-Apr04/05 2.945 04/12 2.939 04/19 2.945 04/26 2.962
2021-May05/03 2.981 05/10 3.051 05/17 3.118 05/24 3.112 05/31 3.119

You do remember that COVID hit under

Trump's term right? You do realize all the problems Trump caused makes Biden look bad because Trump's policies didn't actually really start taking effect until after Biden was in office.

Lol, NO! Biden caused his own problems by reversing everything Trump did for the ecconomy.
Some leftist's just make shit up, then act like what they say is fact.

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: SYS64738 to Neofree on Wed Aug 07 2024 08:40 am

And how is this a reputable website? I can make up stuff too and put it on theweb. You need to verify facts just like a book report in school and listing
more than one reference.

Well, I could cite more references if they weren't so embarrassingly easy to find. Ever heard of Google?

Is this really a Debate forum? So far you you created a debate called
"Trump or Harris?" which invites people who support both to respond.

But also so far, I have been basically treated like an idiot for supporting Harris.

If the shoe fits....

Is there not a single person who may understand or agree? If there isn't then this Debate forum isn't a debate forum at all and should be renamed. Thanks

Let's call it "FLAME ON!"

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: SYS64738 to Neofree on Fri Aug 09 2024 01:21 am

And how is this a reputable website? I can make up stuff too and put
it on theweb. You need to verify facts just like a book report in
school and listing
more than one reference.

Well, I could cite more references if they weren't so embarrassingly easy to find. Ever heard of Google?

Leftist's like Neo often make shit up, no proof, but they try to sell it as truth when it's just made up.
When someone supplies the truth they say "how is that a reputable website", LOL.
Then they want you to do all the research for them.

But also so far, I have been basically treated like an idiot for
supporting Harris.

Well, if the shoe fits Lol.

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Neofree wrote to SYS64738 <=-

Not my favorite candidate from the prior election. She isn't liberal eno in my opinion. In my opinion, she is a moderate who has an interesting personality to put it politely.

She was ranked as the most liberal senator of 2019, and that's not "liberal enough"? https://checkyourfact.com/2024/07/24/fact-check-was-kamala-harris-ranked-the st-liberal-senator-by-govtrack/

And how is this a reputable website? I can make up stuff too and put
it on theweb. You need to verify facts just like a book report in
school and listing more than one reference.

It's really not debate-able. Widely known and documented fact. Easily
proven by a simple Google search. Do it yourself since you won't
believe anything that somebody else posts.

Is this really a Debate forum? So far you you created a debate called "Trump or Harris?" which invites people who support both to respond.

But also so far, I have been basically treated like an idiot for supporting Harris.

Very easy explanation for that: You *ARE* an idiot.

Is there not a single person who may understand or
agree? If there isn't then this Debate forum isn't a debate forum at
all and should be renamed. Thanks

Or maybe...... no one does agree. You're the only stupid one here.



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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to Bf2k+ on Thu Aug 08 2024 08:50 pm

These are facts? No they are not. I paid more than $3.60 of gas during the Trump administration when COVID hit. You do remember that COVID hit under

bullshit.
https://i.imgur.com/MGKi5n7.png

Trump's term right? You do realize all the problems Trump caused makes Biden look bad because Trump's policies didn't actually really start taking effect until after Biden was in office.

that's not true either. trump did executive orders.
those orders were reversed by biden when he took office.
there is video of him doing it.
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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to Bf2k+ on Thu Aug 08 2024 08:50 pm

Trump gas = $1.80/gal
Biden gas = $3.60/gal

These are facts? No they are not.

Yes they are facts here at my house. They are absolute facts.

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Andrew Wakefield was struck from the medical register (UK equivalent of being stripped of his medical license) for his involvement in the /The Lancet/ MMR autism fraud. As an autistic person, I abjectly and categorically refuse to even consider forgetting what that human-shaped sack of hateful excrement has done to us.

IMHO, the only "link" between those shots and autism is that the age where
kids start getting those shots is also the age where autistic behaviors
begin to become obvious. In other words, it is a coincidence and nothing
more.

On an unrelated note, do you know why all of your posts here have the
subject changed to include '[ANSI' at the beginning? If it isn't your
board, you may not know but I thought I would ask.


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She was ranked as the most liberal senator of 2019, and that's not "liberal >> enough"?
https://checkyourfact.com/2024/07/24/fact-check-was-kamala-harris-ranked-the >> > st-liberal-senator-by-govtrack/

And how is this a reputable website? I can make up stuff too and put it on theweb. You need to verify facts just like a book report in school and listin
more than one reference.

CBS News thought that GovTrack.us (where checkyourfact.com found it) was reputable enought that they asked Kamala about it during an interview. The interview, by Norah O'Donnell, was on 60 Minutes on October 25, 2020.

That should give you enough to be able to google the 60 Minutes interview
and find it.

Harris initially blamed Mike Pence for calling here the "most liberal
senator," but O'Donnell wasn't softballing and stuck to her guns, letting Harris know it was not just something a Republican said but instead a
rating from a nonpartisan source. Kamala did eventually give somewhat of an answer, but she also tried to giggle off other subsequent questions.


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And how is this a reputable website? I can make up stuff too and put
it on theweb. You need to verify facts just like a book report in
school and listing
more than one reference.

Well, I could cite more references if they weren't so embarrassingly to find. Ever heard of Google?

Leftist's like Neo often make shit up, no proof

Speaking of "make shit up, no proof", [citation needed].

Each of us has at their fingertips a device that grants them access to the vast majority of human knowledge. I'm sure substantiating Neofree's claims is no issue for you.

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Andrew Wakefield was struck from the medical register (UK equivalent of stripped of his medical license) for his involvement in the /The Lancet/ autism fraud. As an autistic person, I abjectly and categorically refuse even consider forgetting what that human-shaped sack of hateful excremen done to us.

IMHO, the only "link" between those shots and autism is that the age where kids start getting those shots is also the age where autistic behaviors begin to become obvious. In other words, it is a coincidence and nothing more.

Patently false. Wakefield's paper ("Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children", https://doi.org/10.1016%2FS0140-6736%2897%2911096-0) claimed that the MMR vaccine caused gastro‹ntestinal abnormalities as well as autism.

For background, it came in the wake of a revaccination campaign of all school-aged (5-16) children in England, after measles outbreaks there in 1992. In April 1994, lawyer Richard Barr won legal aid for the pursuit of a class-action lawsuit against MMR vaccine providers under the Consumer Protection Act 1987, on the claim that the vaccine was a defective product and shouldn't have been used. Barr contacted Wakefield for his expertise after reading two papers he published regarding the role of the measles virus in Crohn's disease and in IBD.

It was in that context, and with funding from the Legal Aid Board (since replaced by the Legal Aid Agency) in the amount of œ435,643 (+ expenses) as part of that lawsuit, that Wakefield wrote That Paper. In addition to unethically manipulating evidence, Wakefield knew of test results from his own laboratory at the Royal Free Hospital that contradicted his claims, and had multiple conflicts of interest that he failed to disclose:

1. Wakefield was in Barr's employ, at œ150 per hour (+ expenses), as an expert witness in his planned class-action suit. They recruited the twelve children studied through anti-MMR campaigners, actively seeking the parents of cases that might imply a connection between MMR and autism.
2. Wakefield's name was on a patent for a single measles vaccine,
giving him a financial incentive to discredit a combined MR or MMR vaccine.

The paper claimed that all twelve children were "previously normal", but five of them actually had documented pre‰xisting developmental concerns. It claimed that nine of them had been diagnosed with regressive autism, but three of them were allistic (i.e. not autistic), and only one of the nine was clearly exhibiting regressive autism. In nine of the twelve cases, unremarkable colonic histopathology results were changed after a medical school "research review" to "non-specific colitis". Eleven of the twelve families made allegations at the hospital that the MMR vaccine caused their children to be autistic and/or have GI issues, but three of those claims were withheld because they gave onset times on a scale of months, so as to fabricate a fourteen-day temporal link.

/Sunday Times/ reporter Brian Deer exposed the fakery inherent in Wakefield's research in a lengthy investigation in February 2004. Four years later, in 2008, a separate study was performed on children with gastro‹ntestinal disturbances, which found that there was no difference between autistic and allistic children studied with respect to the presence of measles virus RNA in their bowels; it also found that GI symptoms and onset of autism had no temporal relation to the administration of the MMR vaccine. Expert analyses of the children that Wakefield claimed had "non-specific colitis" or "autistic enterocolitis" showed that their bowels were overwhelmingly normal.

Whatsmore, the MMR vaccine isn't used in Japan; instead, they use an MR vaccine and a separate one for mumps. The occurrence rate of autism there is no higher than the rest of the world, which disproves any link between the MMR vaccine and autism.

/The Lancet/ retracted the paper partially in 2004, and completely in February 2010; Wakefield was struck off the UK medical register three months later. Vaccines. Do. Not. Cause. Autism. And yet, there are enough antivaxxer parents who still believe Wakefield's steaming horseshit that measles is now endemic in the UK and resurging in the US.

On an unrelated note, do you know why all of your posts here have the subject changed to include '[ANSI' at the beginning? If it isn't your board, you may not know but I thought I would ask.

I think it's my board's doing, because I was putting colorized text in my posts (mainly my signature). ._.

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On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 01:56:00 -0700, you wrote:

But also so far, I have been basically treated like an idiot for
supporting Harris. Is there not a single person who may understand
or agree? If there isn't then this Debate forum isn't a debate forum
at all and should be renamed.

Wait, people have to actually agree with you in order for you to deem this a reputable debate forum?

Regards,
Nick

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On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 16:04:00 -0500, you wrote:

On an unrelated note, do you know why all of your posts here have the subject changed to include '[ANSI' at the beginning? If it isn't your board, you may not know but I thought I would ask.

It might be auto-detected by the BBS software because of the modified "H" he uses in his name at the end of the message. Those are actually ANSI (double line) characters.

Regards,
Nick

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On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 16:07:00 -0500, you wrote:

Harris initially blamed Mike Pence for calling here the "most
liberal senator," but O'Donnell wasn't softballing and stuck to her
guns, letting Harris know it was not just something a Republican said
but instead a rating from a nonpartisan source. Kamala did
eventually give somewhat of an answer, but she also tried to giggle
off other subsequent questions.

Did you actually just provide another reputable source of facts to this guy? He's not going to believe it, either way. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Dumas Walker to HALIAN on Fri Aug 09 2024 11:04 am

Lancet/ MMR autism fraud. As an autistic person, I abjectly and

yep that explains a lot. he's autistic
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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: halian to Denn on Fri Aug 09 2024 05:43 pm

Leftist's like Neo often make shit up, no proof

Speaking of "make shit up, no proof", [citation needed].

I guess that you're blind as well? I posted proof!
If you're going to debate at the grown up's table you need to pay attention.
Now you'll probably pull the classic leftist move and start the name calling because you have zero debate skills.

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Accession to Dumas Walker on Fri Aug 09 2024 06:01 pm

It might be auto-detected by the BBS software because of the modified "H" he uses in his name at the end of the message. Those are actually ANSI (double line) characters.

more like "high ascii".
i tried to login to that bbs to tell the sysop but can't remember my pw
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Hello MRO,

On Sat, Aug 10 2024 13:20:20 -0500, you wrote:

It might be auto-detected by the BBS software because of the modified "H" he
uses in his name at the end of the message. Those are actually ANSI (double
line) characters.

more like "high ascii".

Most definitely, but still part of the CP437 character set, which includes ANSI. I'd guess that Mystic auto-detects that and adds "[ANSI]" before the subject. I think this was done for BBS ads, or something. Not sure what it actually does with that added to the subject, since Mystic has always been able to read and post ANSI even without modifying the subject line. *shrug*

i tried to login to that bbs to tell the sysop but can't remember my pw

I think he fixed it already.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Accession to MRO on Sat Aug 10 2024 09:33 am

Most definitely, but still part of the CP437 character set, which includes ANSI. I'd guess that Mystic auto-detects that and adds "[ANSI]" before the subject. I think this was done for BBS ads, or something. Not sure what it actually does with that added to the subject, since Mystic has always been able to read and post ANSI even without modifying the subject line. *shrug*

i tried to login to that bbs to tell the sysop but can't remember my pw

I think he fixed it already.

Regards,
Nick

that's a weird feature.
zharvek said he turned off ansi for the bases.

why would mystic even do that?
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IMHO, the only "link" between those shots and autism is that the age where >DW> kids start getting those shots is also the age where autistic behaviors >DW> begin to become obvious. In other words, it is a coincidence and nothing >DW> more.

Patently false.

[...snip...]

Vaccines. Do. Not. Cause. Autism. And yet, there are enough antivaxxer parents
who still believe Wakefield's steaming horseshit that measles is now endemic i
the UK and resurging in the US.

I agree, which is what I said above. ;)

On an unrelated note, do you know why all of your posts here have the subject changed to include '[ANSI' at the beginning? If it isn't your board, you may not know but I thought I would ask.

I think it's my board's doing, because I was putting colorized text in my post
(mainly my signature). ._.

I didn't think of that until after I asked, but Mystic may very well be
doing that automatically. I was just curious, and that explanation makes perfect sense. Thanks.


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Harris initially blamed Mike Pence for calling here the "most
liberal senator," but O'Donnell wasn't softballing and stuck to her guns, letting Harris know it was not just something a Republican said but instead a rating from a nonpartisan source. Kamala did
eventually give somewhat of an answer, but she also tried to giggle
off other subsequent questions.

Did you actually just provide another reputable source of facts to this guy? He's not going to believe it, either way. :)

And to myself. I remembered it was O'Donnell that was asking the questions
but forgot it was 60 Minutes or where exactly they got their numbers from.

Feel free to cite my reputable reference the next time someone brings it
up. <GRIN>


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These are facts? No they are not. I paid more than $3.60 of gas during the Trump administration when COVID hit. You do remember that COVID hit under

bullshit.
https://i.imgur.com/MGKi5n7.png

If he/she/they live on the west coast, they might very well have paid more
than $3.60, but they would also be paying even more now.


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But also so far, I have been basically treated like an idiot for supporting Harris. Is there not a single person who may understand
or agree? If there isn't then this Debate forum isn't a debate forum
at all and should be renamed.

Wait, people have to actually agree with you in order for you to deem this a reputable debate forum?

That sounds like the opposite of "debate" right there. ;)


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America is uniqe place in the world, and the entire country is right leaning.
Our democrats are nothing but moderates here. We don't know what true socialism
is because we haven't lived through that for even 1 second.

the problem is people will all say it was not done effectively.

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Yeah, it's not like there was a global pandemic going on so no one was driving anywhere when gas was that low.

Presidents have very little to do with the price of gas. Sure they can do things to try and swing it a bit in one direction or another, but they don't control global markets.

Foreign policy is one way that affects the price of gas.

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If he/she/they live on the west coast, they might very well have paid more than $3.60, but they would also be paying even more now.

4.29 in Southern California.

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sat Aug 10 2024 10:52 am

These are facts? No they are not. I paid more than $3.60 of gas
during the Trump administration when COVID hit. You do remember
that COVID hit under

bullshit.

If he/she/they live on the west coast, they might very well have paid more than $3.60, but they would also be paying even more now.

I doubt he was in California, even if so the chart I posted was the National average of gas, he was trying to make it sound like gas was well over $3.00 a gallon during Trump's time as president.

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2024 18:02:38 -0500, you wrote:

that's a weird feature.
zharvek said he turned off ansi for the bases.

why would mystic even do that?

Like I said, I think it has something to do with BBS ads and how Mystic handles/displays them. There is also an ANSI editor built into Mystic, so I'm sure there's reasoning behind it, I just don't know what it is. If I had to guess, when it detects ANSI it probably adds ANSI characters or proper line endings to them so that it displays properly on a BBS.

Either way, it's most likely an option that should only be enabled for BBS ad echos or wherever ANSIs are actually posted.

Regards,
Nick

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America is uniqe place in the world, and the entire country is right leaning.
Our democrats are nothing but moderates here. We don't know what true socialism
is because we haven't lived through that for even 1 second.

the problem is people will all say it was not done effectively.

If you talk to people who have lived through it, or Communism, they
usually were not happy with it and were often so not-happy that they now
live in the US.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to Dumas Walker on Tue Aug 06 2024 03:34 pm

America is uniqe place in the world, and the entire country is right leaning. Our democrats are nothing but moderates here. We don't know what true socialism
is because we haven't lived through that for even 1 second.

I think any Cuban you may find in Florida may help satisfy your curiosity.

But then I happen to be a Spaniard, which underwent a fascist dictatorship with a heavy emphasis on socialization, so I may also be of help:

In a true socialist system you are looking at a society in which exchange of goods and services is reduced in order to prevent price gouging and speculation. If you go deep into a rural area you will find the means of production are reduced and a big number of people has to share. Maybe there is a single harvester for the whole valley, and you are expected to help your neighbor take care of his field if you want a turn with the harvester later on.

Since exchange of goods and services is walled behind ration carts and licenses, you may expect extreme inequalty. A rural area will be rich on food but won't have anything else because trading food for other things (education, medicines) is hard and only allowed if it fits the Party. Cities will be rich on social services and cheap social housing but food and other essentials might run extremely low.

Invariably, people turns to the black market in order to get the stuff the Party does not want them to trade. Spain should erect a monument to smugglers and food speculation rings because so many people owes their life to those.

I hope that helped :-P


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to SYS64738 on Tue Aug 06 2024 06:11 pm

Already in the white house with an administration that is helping the economy. She can keep some of those people if she wants.

As already established right before you joined the discussion, the US is in such a pityful state with the current administration that, as a foreigner, it causes extreme cringe to watch people defend it.

The fact that she is a woman may skew the polls. All the people who are not responding to polls (I've never gotten a poll call myself come to think of it.), many of them will simply choose to not vote for her simply because she is a
woman. I would think most of us people using this BBS can respect women

I think most people couldn't care less about what she has under her trousers. Gender pandering is a technique used to attract voters who are already Democrats.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: DaiTengu to Bf2k+ on Wed Aug 07 2024 09:49 am

Yeah, it's not like there was a global pandemic going on so no one was driving anywhere when gas was that low.

Presidents have very little to do with the price of gas. Sure they can do things to try and swing it a bit in one direction or another, but they don't control global markets.

Actually, oil extractors were paying oil distributors to take fuel from their storage tanks because they were running out of fuel storage and they could not shut the extraction operations off.

But then I'd argue that the end consumer didn't get to see the prices drop as a result (for reasons that have already been discused on DoveNET).

What was noticeable was the increase of fuel prices due to the tensions in Eastern Europe and the shrinking power of the petrodollar empire, things which you can squarely blame on France, Germany and the US. If so many African countries weren't switcing alliances away from the Western blocks over issues with radical Islam they would still be using USD and African Franks (distributed by a French bank). The cesation of movement of those currencies have cause the purchasing power of the whole West to crash.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to Bf2k+ on Thu Aug 08 2024 08:50 pm

These are facts? No they are not. I paid more than $3.60 of gas during the Trump administration when COVID hit. You do remember that COVID hit under Trump's term right? You do realize all the problems Trump caused makes Biden look bad because Trump's policies didn't actually really start taking effect until after Biden was in office.

As already said way earlier in this same echo:

Every former administration owns their fuckups, but the current administration owns the responsibility of not fixing them after 3 years.

Spaniard politicians spend so much time blaming problems that former administrations did that the population always forgets a problem may have originated 20 years ago, but the politician in the throne who complains about it is doing nothing to fix it.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Accession to Neofree on Fri Aug 09 2024 04:57 pm

Wait, people have to actually agree with you in order for you to deem this a reputable debate forum?

I think a side effect of the way mainstream Internet services (Facebook and the like) is handled is that when people wanders off the walled gardens and enter a place which is not policed, they are shocked because they notice there are lots of people with opinions that are not allowed in mainstream walled gardens.

So many people has been conditioned to think their opinion is the popular one that when they exit the safe bubled they can't take the heat.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Matthew Munson to NEOFREE on Fri Aug 09 2024 08:49 pm

Build a political system that uses cohercitive measures to enforce wealth redistribution.

Sit on your sofa and watch it crash and burn because people is unable to exchange goods and services.

Declare "It is ok, that wasn't real socialism."

Repeat. Forever.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Arelor to Accession on Sun Aug 11 2024 03:47 pm

Wait, people have to actually agree with you in order for you to deem this a reputable debate forum?

I think a side effect of the way mainstream Internet services (Facebook and the like) is handled is that when people wanders off the walled gardens and enter a place which is not policed, they are shocked because they notice there are lots of people with opinions that are not allowed in mainstream walled gardens.

So many people has been conditioned to think their opinion is the popular one that when they exit the safe bubled they can't take the heat.

Yeah his first instinct was to report everyone because because they
didn't share his opinion. he's lucky(ironically) Rob is so open minded.

I would have banned this cancer from everything.
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On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 20:47:56 -0500, you wrote:

Wait, people have to actually agree with you in order for you to
deem this a reputable debate forum?

I think a side effect of the way mainstream Internet services (Facebook
and the like) is handled is that when people wanders off the walled
gardens and enter a place which is not policed, they are shocked because they notice there are lots of people with opinions that are not allowed
in mainstream walled gardens.

Great point! Oddly enough, even as much as I avoid most social media for that exact reason.. that thought hadn't even crossed my mind!

So many people has been conditioned to think their opinion is the
popular one that when they exit the safe bubled they can't take the heat.

Let's hope this is really the case, and social media's trickery doesn't do us a huge injustice a second time. :/

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Dumas Walker to MATTHEW MUNSON on Sun Aug 11 2024 08:21 am

America is uniqe place in the world, and the entire country is right leaning.
Our democrats are nothing but moderates here. We don't know what true socialism
is because we haven't lived through that for even 1 second.

the problem is people will all say it was not done effectively.

If you talk to people who have lived through it, or Communism, they
usually were not happy with it and were often so not-happy that they now live in the US.

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You're talking about the Soviet Union, Chinese communism, and stuff like that. See some dude all he did was write a book and became Marxism. And what happene
with the ideas in the book lead to a very warped view of the intent. The intent was always a peoples government for the people. Well countries with pretty sketchy histories like this didn't implement the way it was written. You can call Soviet Union communism if you want. But it's not very different from Nazi Germany - and here's why. Yes the actual government structure is different, that's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is that the Soviet Union in particular basically took a dictatorship mentality to it. So it's basically a Dictator Administration that is in control of a communism or socialism style government.

Countries like Spain are examples of socialism that is NOT the same. Yes back in the day Spain has done invasions, but not in recent history. We're not seei


Spain suppo the Ukraine invasion now are we?

The problem is you really have to study history. This is why college educationpeople are more often to be Democrats. You need to not think that every group
of people would implement it the same. And fear is just that, Fear. Complete waste of time. There are socialism and communism like groups that don't want to copy off the Soviets or China. Some will say that's fine, but itjust builds the framework to someone to take over the head and convert it to a
dictatorship. Well, truth is, it doesn't matter WHAT governemnt style a country is. It doesn't have to be radically redesigned to change it into a dictatorship.

All that said, no I don't want the USA to go socialism or communism. But America already has social programs, and that's all we really do. So we make programs to help people, sure, but we're not controlling every aspect of industry or anything like that to better manage the country's resources. I do NOT suppor this! I don't think any president canditate in my lifetime that hada chance of being voted for came even close to socialism, not even Bernie
Sanders.

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: MRO to Arelor on Sun Aug 11 2024 05:32 pm

Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Arelor to Accession on Sun Aug 11 2024 03:47 pm

Wait, people have to actually agree with you in order for you to deem this a reputable debate forum?

I think a side effect of the way mainstream Internet services (Facebook and the like) is handled is that when people wanders off the walled gardens and enter a place which is not policed, they are shocked because they notice there are lots of people with opinions that are not allowed in mainstream walled gardens.

So many people has been conditioned to think their opinion is the popular one that when they exit the safe bubled they can't take the heat.

Yeah his first instinct was to report everyone because because they
didn't share his opinion. he's lucky(ironically) Rob is so open minded.

I would have banned this cancer from everything.

You're wrong. This Debate forum does have people that aren't like you. You're the one who thinks that way. You're living in a dillusion, and people are already talking about you the most. In the very short time I have been using this BBS/forum again, I have seen your name come up the most.

Why do you feel like wasting your life being so negative?

No one appreciates what you're doing here, but some other trolls.

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to MRO on Mon Aug 12 2024 07:17 pm

Yeah his first instinct was to report everyone because because they didn't share his opinion. he's lucky(ironically) Rob is so open minded.

I would have banned this cancer from everything.

You're wrong.

that is litterally what happened, shit for brains.

This Debate forum does have people that aren't like you.

Do you think I give one shit?

people are already talking about you the most. In the very short time I have been using this BBS/forum again, I have seen your name come up the most.

That's because i'm posting in it, shit for brains.

Nobody appreciates your additions to this forum. you have the mind of a child and everything you post is poorly constructed and full of incorrect statements.

I won't have to worry about reading your dogshit for long, because you are going where you belong once these msgs i posted push.
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The problem is you really have to study history.

I have studied history, and have a degree. I have also observed a lot of
human behavior over my adult lifetime.

You *can* have socialism that works on a small scale where all of the people involved are participating voluntarily and, if they become unhappy, can leave. Since they are there voluntarily they are more likely to share similar
desires, goals, and a belief that socialism will work for them. There is
also likely to be less disparity of effort because, presumably, the
collective will ask those who are not contributing to leave.

I can see everyone being happy in such an arrangement because everyone
involved wants to be involved.

On a larger government scale, socialism cannot work and will always devolve into a dictatorship *if* it even makes it that far. The people being
governed will be too diverse in their desires, goals, and beliefs and many
of them will not be happy receiving the same level of reward that someone
who is less productive receives for their work.

Those unhappy folks are either going to lose motivation, which causes productivity to go down, or they are going to start voicing their
displeasure for others to hear.

This decrease in effort, and voicing of displeasure, will spread to others
who are also not happy with everyone receiving equal outcomes, and this behavior will reach a level where it becomes a real, or at least perceived, threat to the government. So the government will need to take measures to "motivate" those persons to increase their work and to shut up.
Because simple motivation likely won't work, that "motivation" will eventually take the form of punishment.

Freedoms of speech, assembly, fair trials, and others will be curtailed.
Those who continue to cause trouble will be jailed, or worse. Those who are happy but less productive will also be seen as troublemakers and will also be punished.

Capitalism is not perfect but you do at least have an opportunity to
increase your pay by working harder and, if you don't get an appropriate
reward for your work you can shop around for another job.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Neofree to Dumas Walker on Mon Aug 12 2024 05:32 pm

Countries like Spain are examples of socialism that is NOT the same. Yes back in the day Spain has done invasions, but not in recent history. We're not seei
Spain suppo the Ukraine invasion now are we?

Warmongering is completely orthogonal to the economic system a country operates on, unless the country is question is a super power with an economy built specifically on annexing new territories and taxing their population (Rome, and a couple of modern ones you may think about).

So called far-right in Spain is basically pro Ukrainian and nobody would dare consider them Socialists. And then I think lots of old-school Socialists in Spain would have the current administration by the Socialist Workers Spanish Party shot in the square for betraying Socialist principles anyway. This is the reason why stuff such as the CNT has not dissolved and joined mainstream Socialist orgs.

In any case, it can be argued that any Socialist system that operates at a non-trivial scale becomes a Dictatorship because it is based on forcing people to join. This is, a big scale Socialist regime that can't force people to join can't force certain segments of the population to work more in order to cover the expenses of other segments of the population.

But I also dare say most people who wants a Socialist system would not last 5 days living in a Socialist system. It takes a special kind of person who is aware of the amenities of modern life to be assigned a square of land and a plow and be happy with no modern comforts. The fun part is the people and communities I know who fit that mold tend to be extremely conservative.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: SYS64738 to All on Thu Aug 01 2024 05:04 pm

If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

Hyperbole appears to be above Trump, he pretty much telegraphs his next moves. Based on what he's said, I don't want a president to proclaim himself dictator given the chance, cut funding for schools teaching CRT and other topics that religious groups can lobby against, Carry out mass deportations, claim to end the weaponization of the government while calling for journalists and his political enemies to be jailed, eliminate mail-in voting and deporting people based on political views.

I'm voting for Harris.
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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to SYS64738 on Sun Aug 25 2024 08:09 am

Hyperbole appears to be above Trump, he pretty much telegraphs his next moves. Based on what he's said, I don't want a president to proclaim himself dictator.

Because he jokingly said to a reporter he would be dictator for one day?

given the chance, cut funding for schools teaching CRT

No, he would just get rid of CRT only, much the same way DeSantis did in florida.

and other topics that religious groups can lobby against, Carry out mass deportations,

As he or any president should do, We have a legal way to enter this country as do most Nations on earth, that is the ones that let aliens in.
They broke imigration laws and just waltzed across our border, Joe and Kamala encouraged this and failed in their duties of defending our Nation.

calling for journalists and his political enemies to be jailed, eliminate mail-in voting and deporting people based on political views.

That is all leftist propaganda, Did he do any of these things when he was president?


claim to end the weaponization of the government while

calling for journalists and his political enemies to be jailed, eliminate

... Hmmm, fence must still be down over at the funny farm....

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to SYS64738 on Sun Aug 25 2024 08:09 am

Hyperbole appears to be above Trump, he pretty much telegraphs his next moves. ased on what he's said, I don't want a president to proclaim himself dictator g ven the chance, cut funding for schools teaching CRT and other topics that reli ious groups can lobby against, Carry out mass deportations, claim to end the we ponization of the government while calling for journalists and his political en mies to be jailed, eliminate mail-in voting and deporting people based on polit cal views.

The problem in my book is that even if you believe Trump would do all of that and you happened to dislike the idea, Harris' plan for mending household economy is imposing price caps on domestic products.

Price capping is one of those things that sound great, lots of people have tried it, and it has ended up generating a lot of scarcity issues among the capped products. Even right-wings groups have been burnt with price capping.

Price capping is a thing that kept Spain in the dirt up to the late 50s. IMO a candidate that says she wants to cap the price of food is about as good as a candidate that says she wants to detonate all the nuclear weapons she has in their silos.
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If the vote were held today, who would you cast your vote for?

Hyperbole appears to be above Trump, he pretty much telegraphs his next moves.
Based on what he's said, I don't want a president to proclaim himself dictator
given the chance,

I don't want them to, either. While he has come out and made some threats
like that in past, the continued support of things like spying on us (via
the Patriot Act) doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about Democrats
or Republicans not doing this.

cut funding for schools teaching CRT and other topics that
religious groups can lobby against,

I have not heard them say this, but I have heard them claim they will gut
or close the Department of Education. My problem here is, in comparing my generation to past generations, I don't see where mine benefited from the existence of the DoE (est 1980, when I was 4 or 5 grades through public
school) or the Office of Education (est 1953) that came before it.

If anything, we seem to be getting dumber.

Carry out mass deportations,

If you are here illegally, you really should not be.

claim to end
the weaponization of the government while calling for journalists and his political enemies to be jailed,

I've not seen this beyond people he believes have comitted crimes, but he doesn't get to make that call. Obama used to go to twitter and make
similar complaints (that person should go to jail) when the courts didn't
see things his way.

eliminate mail-in voting

Unless you are truely absentee, what is a necessity for this that doesn't involve "I like" or "It's convienent"?

and deporting people based on political views.

I have not heard them threaten this. I *HAVE* heard several people attempt
to use their public influence to sway voters by "threatening" they will
leave the country if he wins, though. If this is anything like 2000, 2016,
or any other time these same folks have threatened to leave, the threats
will be hollow from 99% of them.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: poindexter FORTRAN to SYS64738 on Sun Aug 25 2024 08:09 am

Hyperbole appears to be above Trump, he pretty much telegraphs his next moves. Based on what he's said, I don't want a president to proclaim himself dictator given the chance, cut funding for schools teaching CRT and other topics that religious groups can lobby against, Carry out mass deportations, claim to end the weaponization of the government while calling for journalists and his political enemies to be jailed, eliminate mail-in voting and deporting people based on political views.

i wish all that was true.

I'm voting for Harris.

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Denn to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Aug 25 2024 12:59 pm

Because he jokingly said to a reporter he would be dictator for one day?

EXACTLY!!! the same way dumbass Democrats keep taking the "bloodbath" comment iut of context to satisfy their narrative. It's been debunken a miion ways from Snday yet they STILL use it, over and over and over again.

No, he would just get rid of CRT only, much the same way DeSantis did in florida.

CORRECT AGAIN!

That is all leftist propaganda, Did he do any of these things when he was president?

Yes! I too want t see some proof of this as well. The economy was strong, our defences were strong, energy was strong, AMERICA was strong.

Now we're the butt of every international joke.

The United States is a BUSINESS. Why do you think we have a GDP?

The Dems want electric cars... But in the state of CA, they have rolling blackouts. I remember 1-2 years they BRAODCASTED ON TV, they were having roling blacouts, DO NOT CHARGE YOUR ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WTF?!?!!?

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Aug 26 2024 11:21 am

I don't want them to, either. While he has come out and made some threats like that in past, the continued support of things like spying on us (via the Patriot Act) doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about Democrats or Republicans not doing this.

You bring up a GREAT item here. That "Patriot Act", is ANYTHING but "patriotic".

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EXACTLY!!! the same way dumbass Democrats keep taking the "bloodbath" comment iut of context to satisfy their narrative. It's been debunken a miion ways from Snday yet they STILL use it, over and over and over again.

They're still trying to push the debunked Russia Russia hoax.

CORRECT AGAIN!

Yes! I too want t see some proof of this as well. The economy was strong, our defences were strong, energy was strong, AMERICA was strong.

Now we're the butt of every international joke.

It would only get worse with Kamala.

The United States is a BUSINESS. Why do you think we have a GDP?

Religious organizations are also run like businesses.

The Dems want electric cars... But in the state of CA, they have rolling blackouts. I remember 1-2 years they BRAODCASTED ON TV, they were having roling blacouts, DO NOT CHARGE YOUR ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WTF?!?!!?

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: KnightMare to Denn on Tue Aug 27 2024 09:16 am

The Dems want electric cars... But in the state of CA, they have rolling blackouts. I remember 1-2 years they BRAODCASTED ON TV, they were having roling blacouts, DO NOT CHARGE YOUR ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WTF?!?!!?

That's a symptom of bad planning. It seems like a mess that they've been pushing electric cars so much before all the infrastructure has really been built up enough to support them..

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Nightfox to KnightMare on Tue Aug 27 2024 01:14 pm

That's a symptom of bad planning. It seems like a mess that they've been pushing electric cars so much before all the infrastructure has really been built up enough to support them..

Totally agree.

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Nightfox to KnightMare on Tue Aug 27 2024 01:14 pm

The Dems want electric cars... But in the state of CA, they have rolling
blackouts. I remember 1-2 years they BRAODCASTED ON TV, they were having
roling blacouts, DO NOT CHARGE YOUR ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WTF?!?!!?

That's a symptom of bad planning. It seems like a mess that they've been pushing electric cars so much before all the infrastructure has really been built up enough to support them..

It's not just electric cars that are driving this. Climate change causes air conditioners to run more often and for longer periods which uses a LOT of energy.

Datacenters are another big consumer of power, even if they claim to
be "Carbon neutral". Northern Virginia has nearly 500 datacenters, mostly in Loudon, Fairfax and Prince William counties. Over the next 15 years power demands are expected to grow by 85%. They're building new power plants (Natural Gas) as fast as possible there, but the rate seems unsustainble.

Honestly they should be plunking down nuclear plants. It's "greener" than solar or wind, and FAR safer than fossil-fuel powered plants. Most nuclear waste is stored on site until it's radioactivity is at or below normal background levels (takes less than 10 years for the majority of it). Even the core material can be safely stored on site for decades if needed since it takes up so little space.

The only real drawback to nuclear is that the plants are expensive and take a long time to build.

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I don't want them to, either. While he has come out and made some threats >DW> like that in past, the continued support of things like spying on us (via >DW> the Patriot Act) doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling about Democrats >DW> or Republicans not doing this.

You bring up a GREAT item here. That "Patriot Act", is ANYTHING but "patriotic".

IMHO, at the time it was obvious that we were not doing enough to keep our country safe but I think a lot of the measures contained within were
knee-jerk reactions that, in the long run, have done more to curtail our
own freedoms than they have to keep us safe.

If we leave our southern border as open as it is, I have little doubt we
are going to unfortunately reach another one of those times before we know
it. That is sad.


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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Dumas Walker to KNIGHTMARE on Wed Aug 28 2024 09:42 am

If we leave our southern border as open as it is, I have little doubt we are going to unfortunately reach another one of those times before we know it. That is sad.

What is really sad, is the soldiers at home, look around and wonder "this is what I fought for?"

Truly sad, indeed.

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: KnightMare to Denn on Tue Aug 27 2024 09:16 am

The Dems want electric cars... But in the state of CA, they have rolling blackouts. I remember 1-2 years they BRAODCASTED ON TV, they were having roling blacouts, DO NOT CHARGE YOUR ELECTRIC VEHICLES. WTF?!?!!?

That's because the Dems are stupid... and anyone who votes for them is stupid.

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Re: Trump or Harris?
By: Dumas Walker to KNIGHTMARE on Wed Aug 28 2024 09:42 am

If we leave our southern border as open as it is, I have little doubt we
are going to unfortunately reach another one of those times before we know it. That is sad.

You can bet if Kamala is elected, it will remain open...

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If we leave our southern border as open as it is, I have little doubt we are going to unfortunately reach another one of those times before we know it. That is sad.

You can bet if Kamala is elected, it will remain open...

I doubt we could find a bookie dumb enough to take that bet. ;)


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