Hello Maurice!

06 Dec 2021 22:37, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

I guesstimate 16 bootup penguins to be the sweet spot.

i does not see them on my asus pn50 yet,

Same here on both amdgpu and i915 based. Mind you none of them are capable of 16 bootup penguins ... yet.

no freebsd devils either :=)

maybe i need a displayport 1.4 8k monitor first :=)

I doubt that will help given you system is only capable of 8 bootup penguins at best (R7-4700U). 8 is good but 16 would be better ... as well as an epyc instead of a ryzen. I don't ask for much.

if you had a 8k monitor ?, or maybe one asus pn50 with 64GB ram and 4 hdmi 4k monitors connected via usb-c ? :=)


Regards Benny

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Hey Benny!

no freebsd devils either :=)

I like that little guy. I believe it is the best logo ever no matter what distribution.

if you had a 8k monitor ?,

Not yet.

or maybe one asus pn50 with 64GB ram

I'd take it.

and 4 hdmi 4k monitors connected via usb-c ? :=)

I saw an asrock one like that except on a 4"x4" motherboard installed in a cube not much bigger than the motherboard. Tiny ones like that would free up some much needed space. As for 4 monitors, I doubt they'd see much use. 2 maybe and if so then I'd go for the gold and buy the best I could find.

That is highly unlikely to happen in the near future. In the meantime I'll be happy with what I have ... unless of course Santa decides to show me some love for a change and then the sky is the limit.

Life is good,
Maurice

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By praiseworthy deeds shall one prosper among peoples everywhere.
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Hello Maurice!

23 Dec 21 02:41, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

or maybe one asus pn50 with 64GB ram

I'd take it.

Bought a couple of PN51 lately. Not rolled out into production yet, but looks like a very nice mini-workstation or microserver solution.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hey Gerrit!

Bought a couple of PN51 lately. Not rolled out into production
yet, but looks like a very nice mini-workstation or microserver
solution.

I'll have to check that out. Currently the micro-workstation that has my attention is the ASRock 4X4-4800U. As for microserver that is definetly overkill on the graphics etc. and a tad lean on decent ethernet chipsets and the like. Thus if I bought one it would be used as a workstation and probably with at least one top of the line monitors although two just might be the sweet spot for my usage of a mini-workstation. :-)

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

23 Dec 21 13:56, Maurice Kinal wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

I'll have to check that out. Currently the micro-workstation that
has my attention is the ASRock 4X4-4800U. As for microserver that is definetly overkill on the graphics etc. and a tad lean on decent
ethernet chipsets and the like.

Depends on your definition of "decent". Yes, graphics is probably overkill for a pure home server application. PN41 would be enough to have "something".

Shuttle might be another option, they also make mini systems from low-power fanless to workstation-capable. The last ones I bought were DS10U models, as far as I can remember.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hey Gerrit!

definetly overkill on the graphics etc. and a tad lean on decent
ethernet chipsets and the like.

Depends on your definition of "decent".

Definetly *NOT* realtek. I've been burned far too often using them with the 8169 kernel driver for microservers. It's one thing if they are flakey on a workstation but NEVER on a server. That is my number one hesitation when considering parting with cash.

Shuttle might be another option,

I haven't looked lately but would definetly have a looksee at their latest lineup if I were serious about making a purchase.

As for graphics, the latest amdgpu based chipsets are looking to have surpassed the i915 from what I see here. Thus the attraction of the asrock 4x4 series for workstations. The onboard realtek(s) is what make me hesitate when considering a purchase.

Life is good,
Maurice

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He who has great riches dreads many an enemy.
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Hey Benny!

if you had a 8k monitor ?, or maybe one asus pn50 with 64GB ram
and 4 hdmi 4k monitors connected via usb-c ? :=)

How about an ASRock 4X4 BOX-4800U instead? On the minus side the two realteks are a bother but since the target is a desktop this is less of an issue given that on the plus side it is capable of producing 16 penguins on bootup. From my perspective the 16 penguins trumps the realteks and perhaps will convince the realteks to behave themselves.

Also it is quad monitor capable and is reasonably priced. If I had to decide today this one would be the winner.

Life is good,
Maurice

... Ne mæg werig mod wyrde wiðstondan, ne se hreo hyge helpe gefremman.
A weary mind cannot withstand fate, nor a sad heart offer help.
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Hello Maurice!

23 Dec 2021 02:41, Maurice Kinal wrote to Benny Pedersen:

no freebsd devils either :=)

I like that little guy. I believe it is the best logo ever no matter what distribution.

maybe gentoo framebuffering works still, with gentoo themes border :)

if you had a 8k monitor ?,

Not yet.

wiz

or maybe one asus pn50 with 64GB ram

I'd take it.

pn51 is limited to 32, but imho better to windows then pn50

and 4 hdmi 4k monitors connected via usb-c ? :=)

I saw an asrock one like that except on a 4"x4" motherboard installed
in a cube not much bigger than the motherboard. Tiny ones like that would free up some much needed space. As for 4 monitors, I doubt
they'd see much use. 2 maybe and if so then I'd go for the gold and
buy the best I could find.

only problem with this is that pn50 is still under 65 watt, while above is over

That is highly unlikely to happen in the near future. In the meantime I'll be happy with what I have ... unless of course Santa decides to
show me some love for a change and then the sky is the limit.

holland was underpowered last week, this leaded to no power 2 times with
15 min delay, it was realy low voltage in danmark, just not the whole
danmark, most was limited to the connected cable to holland from
danmark, while rest was no issue, funny problem :)


Regards Benny

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Hello Gerrit!

23 Dec 2021 12:15, Gerrit Kuehn wrote to Maurice Kinal:

Bought a couple of PN51 lately. Not rolled out into production yet,
but looks like a very nice mini-workstation or microserver solution.

will freebsd run well on them ?

using gentoo-kernel-bin here with full uefi support, still will redo it
with a m.2 drive, current is a 2.5" ssd, only choiced this to be
more easy to recovery it


Regards Benny

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Hi Benny,

On 2021-12-26 12:29:38, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

holland was underpowered last week, this leaded to no power 2 times
with 15 min delay, it was realy low voltage in danmark, just not the
whole danmark, most was limited to the connected cable to holland from danmark, while rest was no issue, funny problem :)

We in the Netherlands didn't notice a thing...?

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hey Benny!

only problem with this is that pn50 is still under 65 watt,
while above is over

Says the guy who wants four 8k monitors. ;-)

You are right though. The AC/DC brick it comes with can handle up to 90 watts. I am sure the 16 penguins are going to want their fair share when they require it. The same situation would exist on the pn50 if it would have supported the 4800u, which it doesn't.

Given the target you specified, the additional wattage would be well spent methinks. As for 4 8k monitors I doubt that is doable (at this writing) no matter which system is to be deployed. 4 4k monitors, although I'd be happy with 1 ... I think ... 2 at most.

most was limited to the connected cable to holland from danmark,
while rest was no issue, funny problem :)

You have a weird sense of humour.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Loyalty belongs in a warrior, wisdom in a man.
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Hello Benny!

26 Dec 21 12:37, Benny Pedersen wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

Bought a couple of PN51 lately. Not rolled out into production yet,
but looks like a very nice mini-workstation or microserver solution.

will freebsd run well on them ?

Havn't tried. Intended for use with MX.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Wilfred!

26 Dec 2021 13:54, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Benny Pedersen:

Hi Benny,

On 2021-12-26 12:29:38, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

holland was underpowered last week, this leaded to no power 2 times
with 15 min delay, it was realy low voltage in danmark, just not the
whole danmark, most was limited to the connected cable to holland from
danmark, while rest was no issue, funny problem :)

We in the Netherlands didn't notice a thing...?

good backup from danmark then :=)

it happende 22:00 and 22:15 danish time

i seldom have seen it happen, but i could see it was low voltage
problem, nearly all things here shuts down as it was wanted, when
the power was back my android tv turned back on as it was a
planeed power on, hmm

its dokumented on http energinet.dk search for power outtages


Regards Benny

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