• Re: Burning pixels

    From Ed Vance@21:1/175 to Tiny on Sunday, September 15, 2024 20:32:26

    Hi Ed,
    On <Sun, 14 Sep 24>, you wrote me:

    So they spy on everyone with a radio license? Or just you because you're special?

    I suppose if you have all that information the FBI wants they would want
    to earase it.

    Shawn
    P.S. Please seek profesional mental health help.

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    Re Your PS:
    :
    If I did that One More Practitioner would be Committed.
    Ed
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  • From Ed Vance@21:1/175 to Dumas Walker on Sunday, September 15, 2024 20:34:13


    I think that Windows would recognize where the internet connection is
    coming from and route the traffic to the dongle, where Firefox and Tbird would be none-the-wiser and use what Windows tells them to.

    Although I don't know exactly how you have the hub set up to share between multiple PCs, I suspect that each PC would need their own USB wi-fi dongle.

    Mike

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    Thanks Mike .
    Ed
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  • From Ed Vance@21:1/175 to Dumas Walker on Sunday, September 15, 2024 20:46:26


    Through the wi-fi? I would guess if they ever tried that, the magnetic
    force would be great enough to erase the HDDs regardless of how the PC is connected to the Internet. :D
    By
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    I have been using an Adapter Tripp-Lite makes that has USB to the computer I'm backing up and it has a SATA connection that fits a HDD.
    It is a Model: U238-000-1
    Ed
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  • From tenser@21:1/101 to Ed Vance on Tuesday, September 17, 2024 01:57:02
    On 14 Sep 2024 at 10:33a, Ed Vance pondered and said...

    What's bothering me about Wi-Fi is that I never read anything about how
    to get Firefox and Thunderbird to send their Output to USB instead of to
    a Router to get to the Internet .

    Only one of my computers could be used at a time unless there is a way that a USB Hub could have both of my pc's connect to the USB Wi-Fi
    dongle.

    Oh dear. I'm afraid that this is just not how things work.

    The short of it is that the Internet is conceptually modeled
    as layers; applications like Firefox and Thunderbird "speak"
    application-level protocols (like HTTP) over transport- and
    session-layer protocols (like TCP and SSL/TLS, respectively).
    Transport layer protocols like TCP are _usually_ implemented
    in the operating system, though there's no physical law of
    the universe that requires that. Anyway, TCP then layers on
    top of IP, which in turn layers on top of a link-layer
    protocol like Ethernet, which layers on top of a physical
    layer protocol like 1000Base-T over twisted pair, or 802.11
    "WiFi" over an RF link. And that's not counting how any
    of the devices that implement physical and link-layer protocols
    actually connect to the computer; common modern standards
    include PCIe (for high speed devices) and USB (for fast, but
    perhaps not _as_ fast, devices).

    All of this is to say that the layers between a program like
    Firefox and the decision between which link-layer interface
    to communicate the traffic it sends and receives on, are designed
    for mutual isolation: Firefox doesn't know, or care, what
    interface the OS choses to data it sends on; it just seems a
    virtual stream abstraction. Similarly, the OS doesn't care
    which stream traffic transiting a USB Ethernet interface, WiFi,
    Bluetooth, or whatever is associated with; that's all handled
    at a higher layer (first IP and then TCP or UDP or whatever).

    If you have multiple computers connected to an internal IP
    network, they will all have to have unique IP addresses and
    routes in order to communicate with the Internet at large.
    Although it wasn't initially designed this way, if you are
    using IPv4 (which you almost certainly are) for most consumer
    situations this means you need some sort of router at the edge
    of your home network that will do Network Address Translation,
    allowing multiple _internal_ devices to share a single _external_
    address (more properly, this is usually done with Port
    Network Address Translation, or PNAT). Fortunately, most
    commercially available consumer routers have this built in and
    do it automatically.

    Hope that helps a little bit.

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  • From Ed Vance@21:1/175 to tenser on Monday, September 16, 2024 12:11:45

    On 14 Sep 2024 at 10:33a, Ed Vance pondered and said...

    Oh dear. I'm afraid that this is just not how things work.

    The short of it is that the Internet is conceptually modeled
    as layers; applications like Firefox and Thunderbird "speak" application-level protocols (like HTTP) over transport- and
    session-layer protocols (like TCP and SSL/TLS, respectively).
    Transport layer protocols like TCP are _usually_ implemented
    in the operating system, though there's no physical law of
    the universe that requires that. Anyway, TCP then layers on
    top of IP, which in turn layers on top of a link-layer
    protocol like Ethernet, which layers on top of a physical
    layer protocol like 1000Base-T over twisted pair, or 802.11
    "WiFi" over an RF link. And that's not counting how any
    of the devices that implement physical and link-layer protocols
    actually connect to the computer; common modern standards
    include PCIe (for high speed devices) and USB (for fast, but
    perhaps not _as_ fast, devices).

    All of this is to say that the layers between a program like
    Firefox and the decision between which link-layer interface
    to communicate the traffic it sends and receives on, are designed
    for mutual isolation: Firefox doesn't know, or care, what
    interface the OS choses to data it sends on; it just seems a
    virtual stream abstraction. Similarly, the OS doesn't care
    which stream traffic transiting a USB Ethernet interface, WiFi,
    Bluetooth, or whatever is associated with; that's all handled
    at a higher layer (first IP and then TCP or UDP or whatever).

    If you have multiple computers connected to an internal IP
    network, they will all have to have unique IP addresses and
    routes in order to communicate with the Internet at large.
    Although it wasn't initially designed this way, if you are
    using IPv4 (which you almost certainly are) for most consumer
    situations this means you need some sort of router at the edge
    of your home network that will do Network Address Translation,
    allowing multiple _internal_ devices to share a single _external_
    address (more properly, this is usually done with Port
    Network Address Translation, or PNAT). Fortunately, most
    commercially available consumer routers have this built in and
    do it automatically.

    Hope that helps a little bit.

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    WHEW!
    Thanks, I knew bits of those things but You wrote things in details that I never got around to learning.
    Thanks Again.
    Ed
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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Nightfox on Tuesday, September 17, 2024 01:50:29
    I've had the same thought, and have said basically the same thing, and there are usually people who argue that a phone these days is more than just a phone, and that people actually use the 'phone' feature a lot
    less than they used to.

    I have had times where I struggled with how to make a phone call on my phone, because I never used the phone app, thus had forgotten how one would actually make a call.

    Because why would I make a call?

    As it was, I remember back when I first got a smart phone, and how I still had a strong preference to use a PDA, but those... just weren't a thing,
    anymore.

    But I've never liked talking over the phone, and barely remember doing so as a child, at this point.

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  • From tenser@21:1/101 to Ed Vance on Wednesday, September 18, 2024 02:33:20
    On 16 Sep 2024 at 12:11p, Ed Vance pondered and said...

    WHEW!
    Thanks, I knew bits of those things but You wrote things in details that
    I never got around to learning.
    Thanks Again.

    Glad you found it helpful!

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Adept on Tuesday, September 17, 2024 09:54:37
    Re: Re: Burning pixels
    By: Adept to Nightfox on Tue Sep 17 2024 01:50 am

    Because why would I make a call?

    But I've never liked talking over the phone, and barely remember doing so as a child, at this point.

    Sometimes you have to.. Sometimes, things like making a doctor appointment, contacting customer service to resolve an issue, etc. require calling and talking to someone.

    Nightfox
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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Nightfox on Friday, September 20, 2024 18:48:54
    Because why would I make a call?
    Sometimes you have to.. Sometimes, things like making a doctor appointment, contacting customer service to resolve an issue, etc.
    require calling and talking to someone.

    I mean, I'm not sure if it'd surprise you, but I'm aware of the possible use for phones. But with all those things, I'd be using e-mail or websites, if at all possible. Or going in person.

    And I'm sure I've eaten some costs because having to make a phone call was not worth whatever I was losing.

    Which I'm sure some businesses do intentionally, though I do try to avoid those businesses.

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  • From Tiny@21:1/700 to Adept on Saturday, September 21, 2024 05:38:18
    Hi Adept,
    In a message to Nightfox you wrote:

    Which I'm sure some businesses do intentionally, though I do try to
    avoid those businesses.

    I just wanted a quote on insurance, I filled in a questionaire online, in
    good faith I even provided correct information just in case I was interested
    in the quote.

    All I can say is what a mistake, within 3 mins my phone was ringing and
    pushy sales people started in. I was honest and told the first one I wasn't interested and their price was not competive with my existing plan.

    After 3 days I think I blocked around 8 numbers from various sales people
    who just couldn't understand why I wouldn't pay them.

    I learned my lesson, stick with a local broker who won't bother me after I
    tell them no.

    Shawn


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Tiny on Saturday, September 21, 2024 08:12:00
    Tiny wrote to Adept <=-

    I just wanted a quote on insurance, I filled in a questionaire online,
    in good faith I even provided correct information just in case I was interested in the quote.

    All I can say is what a mistake, within 3 mins my phone was ringing and pushy sales people started in. I was honest and told the first one I wasn't interested and their price was not competive with my existing
    plan.

    I feel your pain. I did a mortgage refi through one of the online
    mortgage places, and as soon as I entered my cell phone number and hit
    <ok> I thought "Oh, no - what have I done?"

    Same thing - calls within minutes, pushy annoying sales people trying to
    get me to commit NOW.

    I ended up calling the mortgage broker I used for my first mortgage (he
    kept sending me holiday greeting emails, so I had his email saved).
    Sorted the refi out quickly, painlessly, and took care of the details -
    I'm sure the others wouldn't have been so service-oriented.

    And I got a hell of a deal, right at the bottom of the interest rates
    before the rates went up. Unfortunately for him, I won't be refinancing
    *this* loan!



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  • From Tiny@21:1/700 to Poindexter Fortran on Sunday, September 22, 2024 05:45:23
    Hi Poindexter,
    On <Sun, 21 Sep 24>, you wrote me:

    Same thing - calls within minutes, pushy annoying sales people trying
    to get me to commit NOW.

    Ugh, when I was in sales I didn't operate that way and I made good money.

    And I got a hell of a deal, right at the bottom of the interest rates before the rates went up. Unfortunately for him, I won't be
    refinancing *this* loan!

    Laugh, nice!

    Shawn

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