On 06 Aug 2024 at 01:44p, Nightfox pondered and said...

I still like to buy movies & TV shows on physical media. I still have
all of my music CDs as well. These days I tend to rip it all and keep

I'm with you and I suspect there are more (and younger) folks feeling the same way as time moves along :)

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Re: Re: Media storage for general storage and moving
By: Avon to Nightfox on Fri Aug 30 2024 05:02 pm

I still like to buy movies & TV shows on physical media. I still have all
of my music CDs as well. These days I tend to rip it all and keep

I'm with you and I suspect there are more (and younger) folks feeling the same way as time moves along :)

Yeah, I've seen more people these days saying they've started to buy more physical media as they get frustrated about streaming services removing content.

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I'm with you and I suspect there are more (and younger) folks feeling
the same way as time moves along :)

My 16 year old kid likes to buy DVDs and watch them on a CRT TV in her room. Her friends think its really cool too. She thinks its the best way to watch anything from the 80s to early 2000s era. And we have a Jellyfin server with many terabytes of media easily accessible anywhere in the house. Even with that, we are still a physical-forever house. I'd rather watch a new full 4k movie with quality audio off an Ultra HD disc than stream it locally too.

We almost never purchase digital games either, we have shelves with hundreds (a thousand?) games. I do enjoy a faster load time when I game, so I will install games right on to a console (and if necessary, mod the console to support it or at least swap in an ssd) and fill up a drive, but there is always a disc for it on the shelf for a source copy.

Vinyl is popular all over again too, and I admit I have a small collection and look for very specific things, but who saw that coming?

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My 16 year old kid likes to buy DVDs and watch them on a CRT TV in her
room. Her friends think its really cool too. She thinks its the best
way to watch anything from the 80s to early 2000s era. And we have a Jellyfin server with many terabytes of media easily accessible
anywhere in the house. Even with that, we are still a physical-forever house. I'd rather watch a new full 4k movie with quality audio off an
Ultra HD disc than stream it locally too.

Older things, too, especially those not made for the wide screen. Some
people swear up and down that old shows look better in HD but, unless
they've been remastered or something, I just think they don't look quite
right.



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Blue White wrote to Ganiman <=-

Older things, too, especially those not made for the wide screen. Some people swear up and down that old shows look better in HD but, unless they've been remastered or something, I just think they don't look
quite right.

I'm glad we all have wide-screen TVs, so we don't need to watch
pan-and-scan on 4:3 TVs anymore.

I think it's interesting that some TV shows that were shown in 4:3
apparently were filmed in widescreen format and they've been able to
remaster them in widescreen.

Someone put together widescreen "screencaps" of Star Trek TOS, and it's interesting to see what it would have looked like on a modern screen.

https://cargocollective.com/nickacosta/Star-Trek-in-Cinerama



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Re: Re: Media storage for general storage and moving
By: Blue White to Ganiman on Thu Sep 05 2024 08:35 am

Older things, too, especially those not made for the wide screen. Some people swear up and down that old shows look better in HD but, unless they've been remastered or something, I just think they don't look quite right.

Yeah, in order to really take advantage of HD, it's best to remaster it, including re-scanning the film in HD, if possible. That's what they did with Star Trek: The Next Generation (and probably the same process for TOS), and I think it looks great in 1080p HD. It would be great to also see Star Trek: Voyager and Deep Space 9 remastered in HD, but it looks like that might not happen. I've heard the process would be even more expensive due to how they made those shows, and they feel like the cost can't be justified due to low sales of the TNG blu-rays etc..

There is software to do AI upscaling, and it "works" to an extent, but for now it's not capable of outputting something like a high-quality remaster. Maybe some day software will be able to do it though.

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Re: Re: Media storage for general storage and moving
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Blue White on Thu Sep 05 2024 07:10 am

I'm glad we all have wide-screen TVs, so we don't need to watch pan-and-scan on 4:3 TVs anymore.

I agree.

I think it's interesting that some TV shows that were shown in 4:3 apparently were filmed in widescreen format and they've been able to remaster them in widescreen.

Someone put together widescreen "screencaps" of Star Trek TOS, and it's interesting to see what it would have looked like on a modern screen.

https://cargocollective.com/nickacosta/Star-Trek-in-Cinerama

Those screen caps look cool. It would be interesting to see more older 4:3 TV shows in widescreen. I'd heard that when they remastered TNG for blu-ray, they didn't make it widescreen because it wasn't filmed for widescreen - so if they did that, you'd end up seeing things like the edges of the sets, equipment, etc.. I thought TOS had the same issue (and may be why TOS on blu-ray is still 4:3).

I've noticed they have widescreen versions of Friends and Seinfeld now. Friends is even being released on 4K blu-ray this month..

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Hello poindexter FORTRAN!

Someone put together widescreen "screencaps" of Star Trek TOS, and it's interesting to see what it would have looked like on a modern screen.

https://cargocollective.com/nickacosta/Star-Trek-in-Cinerama

THAT is an interesting result.


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Ogg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

interesting to see what it would have looked like on a modern screen.

https://cargocollective.com/nickacosta/Star-Trek-in-Cinerama

THAT is an interesting result.

There's an interesting guy named Shem Von Schroeck who did a video about
the score in Star Trek TOS. He focused on "The Doomsday Machine"
episode, incredible to look deeper into the music and how the various
pieces tied into the plot of the episode. You don't see that anymore...

He also touched on the director's choice of cinematography. Shooting
creatively in 4:3 must have been a challenge!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAfEXDCsRmg&t=717s




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Nightfox wrote to Blue White <=-

Yeah, in order to really take advantage of HD, it's best to remaster
it, including re-scanning the film in HD, if possible. That's what
they did with Star Trek: The Next Generation (and probably the same process for TOS), and I think it looks great in 1080p HD.

I remember hearing talk that they destroyed the Enterprise-D in the
movie "Generations" because the sets looked so bad on the big screen -
they were designed for TV production and you could see all of the
defects and materials when shot for a movie.

It would certainly explain the lighting in the movie - it was so dark
compared to the TV show lighting.




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Re: Re: Media storage for general storage and moving
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Sep 06 2024 07:57 am

I remember hearing talk that they destroyed the Enterprise-D in the movie "Generations" because the sets looked so bad on the big screen - they were designed for TV production and you could see all of the defects and materials when shot for a movie.

It would certainly explain the lighting in the movie - it was so dark compared to the TV show lighting.

I thought I had heard the reason they destroyed the Enterprise D in the movie was because the Enterprise D was originally designed for a 4:3 image for the TVs of the day, and they wanted to introduce a new Enterprise that was better for a widescreen image. I guess I can understand that (and the Enterprise E was indeed a longer ship), but I thought the Enterprise D still looked great in widescreen. I thought its sets looked fine in the movie too - and they actually changed the sets a bit for the movie. If I recall correctly, the bridge had a pronounced section that raised up a bit toward the middle, whereas in the TV show, it wasn't so pronounced.

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Re: Re: Media storage for general storage and moving
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Sep 06 2024 09:45 am

was indeed a longer ship), but I thought the Enterprise D still looked great in widescreen. I thought its sets looked fine in the movie too - and they

Who didn't get tingly when the Enterprise-D showed up in Picard S3?

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Re: Re: Media storage for general storage and moving
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Fri Sep 06 2024 11:05 am

was indeed a longer ship), but I thought the Enterprise D still looked
great in widescreen. I thought its sets looked fine in the movie too - and
they

Who didn't get tingly when the Enterprise-D showed up in Picard S3?

I thought that was pretty cool.

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Someone put together widescreen "screencaps" of Star Trek TOS, and it's interesting to see what it would have looked like on a modern screen.

https://cargocollective.com/nickacosta/Star-Trek-in-Cinerama

³ I love those widescreencaps. It'd be cool to see a widescreen or anamorphic
³ remaster of /TOS/.
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Re: Re: Media storage for general storage and moving
By: Avon to Nightfox on Fri Aug 30 2024 05:02 pm

Yeah, I've seen more people these days saying they've started to buy more physical media as they get frustrated about streaming services removing content.

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Here we moved all our media onto a 10 TB usb drive and plugged it into our lg tv. We gave up on streaming services 4 years ago. We now have over 209 movies and 150 tv shows, mostly older ones to watch when we want. They are all high definition and system works great. Our tv is not connected to the internet as well.

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On 04 Sep 2024 at 12:50p, Ganiman pondered and said...

Vinyl is popular all over again too, and I admit I have a small
collection and look for very specific things, but who saw that coming?

I guess the idea of what is old is new again holds true for a lot of stuff... that, and the notion of nostalgia and how it can seep into all of us as time goes by :)

BBSing is certainly one of those things I love for it's ongoing endurance, the mix of nostalgic fun from my times using it in the 1990's and returning to the scene some 10+ years ago... golly time flies by.

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