I've recently seen reviews of some consumer grade tape decks, most recently the new TASCAM CD-A580 on vwestlife's channel.
So, I'm sure yall's have seen the review. Would it be prudent for me to buy a model such as the tascam or find a relatively inexpensive naka?
I'm in need of some fresh tapes for my car's deck and would prefer to mix them on a quality deck.
I've recently seen reviews of some consumer grade tape decks, most recently the new TASCAM CD-A580 on vwestlife's channel.
Wow, you have a cassette deck in your... car? I thought I had an old car (19
I'm looking for a way to dub new cassettes. I have over 4000 cd's in my collection but my car has a tape deck up front and a CD changer in the trunk. I drive a very clean and low mileage 2002.
On 03-19-20 15:59, Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Unless you really like playing cassettes, I'm thinking it might be
easier to use the CD changer, or other than upgrading your car stereo,
you can buy one of those cassette audio adapters that would let you
plug a smartphone/media player/etc. into your car radio via the
cassette deck: https://www.amazon.com/RCA-AH600R-Car-Cassette-Adapter/dp/B000BUN79K
I use a Bluetooth to FM adapter for the car and keep the music on my phone. Easoest of the lot. :)
On 03-20-20 12:24, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Fri Mar 20 2020 03:14 pm
I use a Bluetooth to FM adapter for the car and keep the music on my phone. Easoest of the lot. :)
I haven't tried that. I have a USB flash drive with my music library
in my car, which I tend to listen to quite a bit. Seems easier than connecting my phone to my car stereo. :)
I use a Bluetooth to FM adapter for the car and keep the music on my
phone. Easoest of the lot. :)
I haven't tried that. I have a USB flash drive with my music
library in my car, which I tend to listen to quite a bit. Seems
easier than connecting my phone to my car stereo. :)
Bluetooth is pretty straightforward. :) The issue I have with USB drives is how good the interface is to navigate the tracks. A lot of audio gear has really clunky interfaces, from my experience. Phones are better, generally. :)
On 03-20-20 20:54, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
True, though I think my car stereo works well enough. And I think it's easier to reach over to the car stereo to navigate music rather than
reach down to my phone. I at least feel a little safer in my car when
I only have to reach over to my car stereo.
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
I use a Bluetooth to FM adapter for the car and keep the music on my phone. Easoest of the lot. :)
On 03-20-20 08:07, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
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Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
I use a Bluetooth to FM adapter for the car and keep the music on my phone. Easoest of the lot. :)
It's easy to get spoiled. My wife and I bought a used car, a 2011
Mazda. Excellent condition, well maintained, and once I had the
interior detailed, it looks like new.
The only hiccup? 2011 audio. Wait, what do you mean there isn't a touch screen, and support for USB drives? I can't pick music by genres,
select play lists, and use voice commands? No Pandora client?
Works fine for my wife, she still listens to CDs and it does do
hands-free bluetooth. I found a cable with lightning on one end and a 3.5mm stereo headphone plug so she can play audio through the AUX jack.
True, though I think my car stereo works well enough. And I think
it's easier to reach over to the car stereo to navigate music rather
than reach down to my phone. I at least feel a little safer in my
car when I only have to reach over to my car stereo.
Where's your phone? I use an in car mount that puts the phone in a convenient place, and the Bluetooth interface adds convenient buttons for previous, next track, as well as play/pause/answer call. And yes, I can talk hands free too. :)
It's easy to get spoiled. My wife and I bought a used car, a 2011 Mazda. Excellent condition, well maintained, and once I had the interior detailed, it looks like new.
The only hiccup? 2011 audio. Wait, what do you mean there isn't a touch screen, and support for USB drives? I can't pick music by genres, select play lists, and use voice commands? No Pandora client?
Works fine for my wife, she still listens to CDs and it does do hands-free bluetooth. I found a cable with lightning on one end and a 3.5mm stereo headphone plug so she can play audio through the AUX jack.
On 03-22-20 01:35, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Where's your phone? I use an in car mount that puts the phone in a convenient place, and the Bluetooth interface adds convenient buttons for previous, next track, as well as play/pause/answer call. And yes, I can talk hands free too. :)
In the car, I usually have my phone in one of the cup holders. Or I
might just leave my phone in my pocket. :)
In the car, I usually have my phone in one of the cup holders. Or I
might just leave my phone in my pocket. :)
Having it in a cup holder would be illegal here, but pocket is OK. Either way, I can still control play, previous and next track with the phone in my pocket over Bluetooth. :)
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I don't really use much of that. I put a GPS navigation stereo in my
car in 2012, and I mostly just use the radio tuner (yes, I still listen
to the radio in my car), MP3s on a USB drive, and I use the GPS from
time to time. It has a Pandora connection, but even with my phone
paired via Bluetooth and Pandora running on my phone, I've never gotten the Pandora connection working with my car stereo.
Vk3jed wrote to Nightfox <=-
Having it in a cup holder would be illegal here, but pocket is OK.
Either way, I can still control play, previous and next track with the phone in my pocket over Bluetooth. :)
On 03-22-20 12:41, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Here, it's illegal to be using or holding a phone while driving, but I haven't heard of it being illegal to have a phone in the cup holder
here.
On 03-22-20 11:58, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think you're right - "Attached to the dash" is the phrase I keep
hearing from law enforcement.
A friend of mine got a ticket for using his phone in a self-driving
Tesla on the highway. The told him to get a dash mount - the level of distraction would be the same, but they could check the box.
I think you're right - "Attached to the dash" is the phrase I keep hearing from law enforcement.
A friend of mine got a ticket for using his phone in a self-driving Tesla on the highway. The told him to get a dash mount - the level of distraction would be the same, but they could check the box.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I have an in-dash GPS car streo, and when I activate the GPS, it gives
a momentary warning not to use it while driving, and for a moment, it
even prevents you from pressing the button to continue so that you can read the message. Seems a little ironic for it to make you wait for a message about using it while driving, if you're driving..
Here, it's illegal to be using or holding a phone while driving, but
I haven't heard of it being illegal to have a phone in the cup
holder here.
People have been done for not having their phone properly secured. And no excuse, since there's cheap holders that are dead easy to fit.
On 03-23-20 13:44, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I can understand holding their phone while driving, but why "properly secured"? If someone is on their phone hands-free with bluetooth or something, what difference would it make if the phone is in a phone
holder or in a cup holder, or in their pocket?
I can understand holding their phone while driving, but why
"properly secured"? If someone is on their phone hands-free with
bluetooth or something, what difference would it make if the phone
is in a phone holder or in a cup holder, or in their pocket?
In a collision, an unsecured phone can become a missile. That has been said.
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Tue Mar 24 2020 10:53 am
I can understand holding their phone while driving, but why
"properly secured"? If someone is on their phone hands-free with
bluetooth or something, what difference would it make if the phone
is in a phone holder or in a cup holder, or in their pocket?
In a collision, an unsecured phone can become a missile. That has been said.
I'd think the same could be said for anything sitting in the car.. For inst where, which could potentially go flying in a collision.
Nightfox
If the phone needs some level of interaction, such as to answer a call , a loose phone could slip out of someone's hands or be right out of their reach, making it hard to reach and drive at the same time.
little surprised they also haven't passed laws against changing the music on car stereo while driving, or using a GPS while driving.
The only hiccup? 2011 audio. Wait, what do you mean there isn't a touch screen, and support for USB drives? I can't pick music by genres, select
play lists, and use voice commands? No Pandora client?
Works fine for my wife, she still listens to CDs and it does do hands-free bluetooth. I found a cable with lightning on one end and a 3.5mm stereo headphone plug so she can play audio through the AUX jack.
I don't really use much of that. I put a GPS navigation stereo in my car in 2012, and I mostly just use the radio tuner (yes, I still listen to the radio in my car), MP3s on a USB drive, and I use the GPS from time to time. It has a Pandora connection, but even with my phone paired via Bluetooth and Pandora running on my phone, I've never gotten the Pandora connection working with my car stereo.
In a collision, an unsecured phone can become a missile. That has been said.
That's one reason why some places have passed laws against holding and using a phone while driving. If you can use your phone hands-free, that would be more ideal. Some smartphones have a voice assistant that can read texts and let you respond to texts with voice commands. Also, many cars these days have a Bluetooth-compatible stereo and let you answer phone calls from the car streo interface so you don't have to touch your phone. You could also buy a Bluetooth headset to wear while driving.
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 22 2020 11:22 pm
little surprised they also haven't passed laws against changing the music car stereo while driving, or using a GPS while driving.
yeah i have fucked with my gps while driving 90 and moved a bit out of the lines.
I've seen people shaving, putting on makeup and reading the newspaper while driving
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: MRO to Nightfox on Thu Mar 26 2020 12:27 am
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Mar 22 2020 11:22 pm
little surprised they also haven't passed laws against changing the mu car stereo while driving, or using a GPS while driving.
yeah i have fucked with my gps while driving 90 and moved a bit out of th lines.
I've seen people shaving, putting on makeup and reading the newspaper while driving
On 03-26-20 05:17, Tracker1 wrote to Vk3jed <=-aid.
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On 3/23/2020 4:53 PM, Vk3jed wrote:
In a collision, an unsecured phone can become a missile. That has been
As could an actual cup in said cup holder...
On 03-26-20 11:33, Moondog wrote to MRO <=-
I've seen people shaving, putting on makeup and reading the newspaper while driving
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Thu Mar 19 2020 02:24 pm
I'm looking for a way to dub new cassettes. I have over 4000 cd's in my collection but my car has a tape deck up front and a CD changer in the trunk. I drive a very clean and low mileage 2002.
Unless you really like playing cassettes, I'm thinking it might be
easier to use the CD changer, or other than upgrading your car stereo,
you can buy one of those cassette audio adapters that would let you
plug a smartphone/media player/etc. into your car radio via the
cassette deck: https://www.amazon.com/RCA-AH600R-Car-Cassette-Adapter/dp/B000BUN79K
Nightfox
I don't even own a smartphone anymore. I noticed satellite phones are
now affortable (actually free with a year contract) and so I got that.
When I'm in a bind (which isn't often) I have my phone that works everywhere.
I'm a pilot too. Flying to remote airports will sometimes leave a smartphone with no connection. Not so with my satphone. Anyhoo.
I have a cd changer in my trunk if I really wanted to use it, but I haven't had the desire to. I really like my tapes but am considering the purchase of a used modern deck for making mixes.
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Thu Mar 19 2020 02:24 pm
I'm looking for a way to dub new cassettes. I have over 4000 cd's in my collection but my car has a tape deck up front and a CD changer in the trunk. I drive a very clean and low mileage 2002.
Unless you really like playing cassettes, I'm thinking it might be easier to use the CD changer, or other than upgrading your car stereo, you can buy one of those cassette audio adapters that would let you plug a smartphone/media player/etc. into your car radio via the cassette deck: https://www.amazon.com/RCA-AH600R-Car-Cassette-Adapter/dp/B000BUN79K
Nightfox
Sorry for the late reply. I saw the rabbit hole the thread went down. Returning to the subject, though, I'm actually a big fan of audio tapes
and don't feel the need to change my ways. I was an early adopter of smartphones with the treo, then the pre, then the galaxy line. Nowadays
I don't even own a smartphone anymore. I noticed satellite phones are
now affortable (actually free with a year contract) and so I got that.
When I'm in a bind (which isn't often) I have my phone that works everywhere
I'm a pilot too. Flying to remote airports will sometimes leave a smartphone with no connection. Not so with my satphone. Anyhoo.
I have a cd changer in my trunk if I really wanted to use it, but I haven't had the desire to. I really like my tapes but am considering the purchase of a used modern deck for making mixes.
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Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Mon Apr 20 2020 04:29 am
I don't even own a smartphone anymore. I noticed satellite phones are
now affortable (actually free with a year contract) and so I got that.
When I'm in a bind (which isn't often) I have my phone that works everywhere.
I'm a pilot too. Flying to remote airports will sometimes leave a smartphone with no connection. Not so with my satphone. Anyhoo.
I'd imagine a satellite connection would introduce delays in phone conversations etc. as the signal has to travel up to a satellite and
back down? On the other hand, cell phones communicate with cell towers
on the ground.. A long time ago, I was talking on the phone with
someone who was on a cruise ship, which was using a satellite phone connection, and I remember there being a delay of a few seconds before
the other person would reply.
I probably wouldn't bother with a CD changer anymore. I had a car
stereo with an integrated 6 CD changer, but I upgraded the stereo to
one that has satellite navigation and a USB port. Now I have a USB
flash drive full of music on MP3s in my car, so I don't have to bother with CDs at all. I still like to buy music on CD, but I'll rip it for more convenient playing on my devices.
Moondog wrote to calcmandan <=-
Rip your music to MP3 or whatever format you like, then use a 1/8"
audio to cassette adapter to run a phone, tablet or other media palyer device through the tape deck.
/d
Tape is better than people remember. I only use type-2 tape.
Moondog wrote to calcmandan <=-
Rip your music to MP3 or whatever format you like, then use a 1/8" audio to cassette adapter to run a phone, tablet or other media palyer device through the tape deck.
/d
I'm just going to get a used deck to dub my new tapes.
Tape is better than people remember. I only use type-2 tape.
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Mon Apr 20 2020 06:07 pm
Tape is better than people remember. I only use type-2 tape.
I suppose tape isn't that bad, but the other part of it is convenience.
With CDs and media files on a USB drive, you can skip tracks easily. But with a cassette tape, if you want to go to a specific song, you have to keep fast-forwarding/rewinding and stop to check if it's in the right place, and if not, keep going..
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Nightfox to calcmandan on Tue Apr 21 2020 11:13:31
Nightfox> With CDs and media files on a USB drive, you can skip tracks
Nightfox> easily. But with a cassette tape, if you want to go to a
Nightfox> specific song, you have to keep fast-forwarding/rewinding
Nightfox> and stop to check if it's in the right place, and if not,
Nightfox> keep going..
i guess you never had one of those intelligent tape decks that would fast forward listening for the silence between songs and then drop back to normal play mode, then ;)
I used to have a casette tape deck back in the 80's that was awesome like that. You could tap the rewind button and it would go to the beginning of the song. If you tapped it twice, it'd go 2 songs back. If you tapped the play button twice, it'd repeat the current song. It was awesome and had a high power headphone amplifier likely contributing significantly to the tinnitus I enjoy today! :-)
I used to have a casette tape deck back in the 80's that was awesome
like that. You could tap the rewind button and it would go to the beginning of the song. If you tapped it twice, it'd go 2 songs back.
If you tapped the play button twice, it'd repeat the current song.
It was awesome and had a high power headphone amplifier likely contributing significantly to the tinnitus I enjoy today! :-)
headphone amplifier likely contributing significantly to the tinnitus I enjo today! :-)
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Digital Man to Rampage on Tue Apr 21 2020 01:17 pm
headphone amplifier likely contributing significantly to the tinnitus I enjo today! :-)
did you ever try decreasing your salt intake? it worked for me a little with my tinnitus.
Nightfox> With CDs and media files on a USB drive, you can skip tracks Nightfox> easily. But with a cassette tape, if you want to go to a Nightfox> specific song, you have to keep fast-forwarding/rewinding Nightfox> and stop to check if it's in the right place, and if not, Nightfox> keep going..
i guess you never had one of those intelligent tape decks that would fast forward listening for the silence between songs and then drop back to normal play mode, then ;)
I suppose tape isn't that bad, but the other part of it is
convenience. With CDs and media files on a USB drive, you can skip
tracks easily. But with a cassette tape, if you want to go to a
specific song, you have to keep fast-forwarding/rewinding and stop to
check if it's in the right place, and if not, keep going..
Nah, tapes are horrible: They stretch, they demagnetize, they get tangled, they're noisy and have a low dynamic range. Good riddance, I say!
play button twice, it'd repeat the current song. It was awesome and had a high power headphone amplifier likely contributing significantly to the tinnitus I enjoy today! :-)
On 04-21-20 13:14, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-
Nah, tapes are horrible: They stretch, they demagnetize, they get
tangled, they're noisy and have a low dynamic range. Good riddance, I
say!
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Apr 21 2020 05:32 pm
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Digital Man to Rampage on Tue Apr 21 2020 01:17 pm
headphone amplifier likely contributing significantly to the tinnitus enjo today! :-)
did you ever try decreasing your salt intake? it worked for me a little w my tinnitus.
No, but I'm not a big consumer of salt to begin with. I've had some results with therapy apps on the iphone, but mostly, I just live with it. <shrug>
did you ever try decreasing your salt intake? it worked for me a little w my tinnitus.
No, but I'm not a big consumer of salt to begin with. I've had some results with therapy apps on the iphone, but mostly, I just live with it. <shrug>
try eating something salty and seeing if it gets worse. then MAYBE you can decrease salt in your diet and lessen it. that's what i did. tinnitus has a lot of causes and different things work for different people[if anything works].
Digital Man wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Moondog on Tue Apr 21 2020 12:04 am
Moondog wrote to calcmandan <=-
Rip your music to MP3 or whatever format you like, then use a 1/8" audio to cassette adapter to run a phone, tablet or other media palyer device through the tape deck.
/d
I'm just going to get a used deck to dub my new tapes.
Ewww... a used deck is likely to have old belts and dirty heads/rollers/capstans. Did you consider the TEAC deck I recommended?
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Mon Apr 20 2020 06:07 pm
Tape is better than people remember. I only use type-2 tape.
I suppose tape isn't that bad, but the other part of it is convenience.
With CDs and media files on a USB drive, you can skip tracks easily.
But with a cassette tape, if you want to go to a specific song, you
have to keep fast-forwarding/rewinding and stop to check if it's in the right place, and if not, keep going..
Digital Man wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Mon Apr 20 2020 06:07 pm
Tape is better than people remember. I only use type-2 tape.
Nope, still terrible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPn3Gop2h1A
I suppose tape isn't that bad, but the other part of it is
convenience. With CDs and media files on a USB drive, you can skip
tracks easily. But with a cassette tape, if you want to go to a
specific song, you have to keep fast-forwarding/rewinding and stop
to check if it's in the right place, and if not, keep going..
I really never had a problem with that. I don't drive much though. My commute to work, when not in lockdown, is about two minutes (for real). The farthest I drive on most occasions is to the airport to take my plane out. That's never more than a thirty minute drive. Most of my shopping is situated in my suburb so...
I've stopped collecting CD's. Turning into a storage headache. But 80% of my collection are original pressings in near mint condition and ripped into lossless flac. I use those files to make mix tapes.
Rampage wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Nightfox to calcmandan on Tue Apr 21 2020 11:13:31
Nightfox> With CDs and media files on a USB drive, you can skip tracks
Nightfox> easily. But with a cassette tape, if you want to go to a
Nightfox> specific song, you have to keep fast-forwarding/rewinding
Nightfox> and stop to check if it's in the right place, and if not,
Nightfox> keep going..
i guess you never had one of those intelligent tape decks that would
fast forward listening for the silence between songs and then drop back
to normal play mode, then ;)
Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Nightfox to calcmandan on Tue Apr 21 2020 11:13 am
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Mon Apr 20 2020 06:07 pm
Tape is better than people remember. I only use type-2 tape.
I suppose tape isn't that bad, but the other part of it is convenience.
With CDs and media files on a USB drive, you can skip tracks easily. But with a cassette tape, if you want to go to a specific song, you have to keep fast-forwarding/rewinding and stop to check if it's in the right place, and if not, keep going..
Nah, tapes are horrible: They stretch, they demagnetize, they get
tangled, they're noisy and have a low dynamic range. Good riddance, I
say!
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Nightfox to calcmandan on Tue Apr 21 2020 11:13:31
Nightfox> With CDs and media files on a USB drive, you can skip tracks
Nightfox> easily. But with a cassette tape, if you want to go to a
Nightfox> specific song, you have to keep fast-forwarding/rewinding
Nightfox> and stop to check if it's in the right place, and if not,
Nightfox> keep going..
i guess you never had one of those intelligent tape decks that would fast fo
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Digital Man wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Mon Apr 20 2020 06:07 pm
Tape is better than people remember. I only use type-2 tape.
Nope, still terrible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPn3Gop2h1A
If I said, 'I like costco pizza' you'd return with a youtube vid and say
'NO costco pizza sucks! See?'
Dude, I'm discussing my preferences here and you're actively trying
to talk me out of it. What a downer.
Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVoSQP2yUYA
I'm sure he's flat-out wrong though. Maybe you shouldn't watch it.
Truth is, you'll never witness me telling someone to drop their platform
of preference for my favorite. It will never happen. If someone wants
to ask about Vinyl, I'll ignore the topic because I don't know anything about it. What would you do?
I use nothing but type 2 and have a few metal. They've never had those issues youve stated. I currently have no tape deck at home for dubbing because i sold it when money was tight. I regret that decision but it's life.
I have tapes dating back to the early 80s during my childhood. They still sound great and play fine. But then, I keep my deck clean.
I've never seen or heard of anyone having a demagnetized tape from use. There can be a magnetized head which will cause bunching or tangling to occur but it is often easy to avoid with some maintenance. Wiping a tape is something that one would do on purpose to wipe sensitive recordings. My HR department used to do that all the time.
With vinyl, you had "groove echo" (even on a brand new LP), which I don't miss... so yeah, I'm the digital man for a reason. :-)
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
It has little to do with driving, as the issue happens on any cassette deck, at home or wherever.. But with driving it can be worse if you
have to fiddle with the car stereo too much.
I still like to buy CDs, but if I bought music online, I'd prefer FLAC format.
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Digital Man to calcmandan on Wed Apr 22 2020 12:30 pm
With vinyl, you had "groove echo" (even on a brand new LP), which I don't miss... so yeah, I'm the digital man for a reason. :-)
I tend to like digital formats too (CD and computer audio files). I don't like the hiss and pops and crackles in vinyl. And not too long ago I learned something I never really thought about, that because vinyl records spin at a constant speed, the grooves toward the center of the record don't capture high frequencies as well as the outer grooves because the inner grooves are shorter.
Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Digital Man to calcmandan on Wed Apr 22 2020 12:30 pm
With vinyl, you had "groove echo" (even on a brand new LP), which I don't miss... so yeah, I'm the digital man for a reason. :-)
I tend to like digital formats too (CD and computer audio files). I
don't like the hiss and pops and crackles in vinyl. And not too long
ago I learned something I never really thought about, that because
vinyl records spin at a constant speed, the grooves toward the center
of the record don't capture high frequencies as well as the outer
grooves because the inner grooves are shorter.
Don't get me wrong. I have 80% of my cd collection ripped. They're high quality ogv
files and they sit on my streaming server. When I'm coding, I'm streaming off that server.
With a good quality tape and a well balanced recording, tape is just suitable for everyday listening. I'm no audiophile like you.
On 04-22-20 12:30, Digital Man wrote to calcmandan <=-
With vinyl, you had "groove echo" (even on a brand new LP), which I
don't miss... so yeah, I'm the digital man for a reason. :-)
On 04-22-20 14:17, Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-
I tend to like digital formats too (CD and computer audio files). I
don't like the hiss and pops and crackles in vinyl. And not too long
ago I learned something I never really thought about, that because
vinyl records spin at a constant speed, the grooves toward the center
of the record don't capture high frequencies as well as the outer
grooves because the inner grooves are shorter.
On 04-22-20 16:13, Digital Man wrote to Nightfox <=-
Good point. You'd have lower fidelity on those inner grooves. Tapes had similar issues as the amount of tape on the spool could affect the
speed over the heads. "Mechanical music" :-)
ago I learned something I never really thought about, that because
vinyl records spin at a constant speed, the grooves toward the
center of the record don't capture high frequencies as well as the
outer grooves because the inner grooves are shorter.
Yep, that's related to why CDs use constant linear velocity (i.e. varying the RPM depending on where the laser pickup is reading) - to maximise the storage capability of the medium for a constant data rate. In the analog world, that shows as changes in the frequency response of the medium as linear velocity changes.
Nope, still terrible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPn3Gop2h1A
Just having a conversation, man.
Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVoSQP2yUYA
I'm sure he's flat-out wrong though. Maybe you shouldn't watch it.
I've already seen it. I subscribe to Techmoan and watched all his tape-relat
Truth is, you'll never witness me telling someone to drop their platform of preference for my favorite. It will never happen. If someone wants
to ask about Vinyl, I'll ignore the topic because I don't know anything about it. What would you do?
I don't tell anyone to drop anything. Listen to what you want. I just adding
digital man
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Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Digital Man to calcmandan on Tue Apr 21 2020 11:02 am
Nope, still terrible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPn3Gop2h1A
That's cool.
A few years ago, I bought a USB cassette deck to digitize some old cassette st where they let people send in tapes of their synthesizer music, and Rolan hich he gave to me a long time ago. I also found the 6th & 7th on eBay, and m missing many of the artist & track names. I've found a few of them online
I put my digital recordings of them on YouTube (which seems to be a popular 6th: https://youtu.be/1Bn6I801BhE
7th: https://youtu.be/Gi5JH1ZfZYA
8th: https://youtu.be/1sgibLoz9cA
I also put them on the Internet Archive:
6th:
https://archive.org/details/Roland6thAnnualSynthesizerContest
7th:
https://archive.org/details/Roland7thAnnualSynthesizerContest
8th: https://archive.org/details/Roland8thAnnualSynthesizerContest_MissingInfo
I've also shared them on Reddit, and another Reddit user had the 9th tape an https://archive.org/details/roland-9th-annual-synthesizer-tape-contest
Nightfox
On 04-22-20 19:51, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
As far as sound quality, I thought the groove length wouldn't really matter with CDs, because it's a series of digital bits rather than
analog data. But it's good that they thought of maximizing storage capacity.
I used to leave my tapes in hot cars and a hot garage a lot, which likely played a role in the degradation I experienced. But I've also heard pristine tapes that were left wound too long and you get an echo or warble where the
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Digital Man to calcmandan on Wed Apr 22 2020 12:30 pm
I used to leave my tapes in hot cars and a hot garage a lot, which likely played a role in the degradation I experienced. But I've also heard pristine tapes that were left wound too long and you get an echo or warble where the
i just had a flashback of the tape being eaten in the cassette deck.
yep, dont miss that
On 04-24-20 16:51, MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
i just had a flashback of the tape being eaten in the cassette deck.
yep, dont miss that
Digital Man wrote to MRO <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: MRO to Digital Man on Fri Apr 24 2020 04:51 pm
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Digital Man to calcmandan on Wed Apr 22 2020 12:30 pm
I used to leave my tapes in hot cars and a hot garage a lot, which likely played a role in the degradation I experienced. But I've also heard pristine tapes that were left wound too long and you get an echo or warble where the
i just had a flashback of the tape being eaten in the cassette deck.
yep, dont miss that
Oh yeah. Get a pencil and rewind that thing to play it again, now with lots of extra special effects. :-)
Vk3jed wrote to MRO <=-
On 04-24-20 16:51, MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
i just had a flashback of the tape being eaten in the cassette deck.
yep, dont miss that
Neither do I. I had that happen last year as I was trying to convert a tape to digital. The cause was a faulty tape deck that had developed a mechanical fault. I was able to splice the tape back together and
filling in the missing part with audio from a backup copy (gotta love Audacity :) ), once I had obtained a replacement cassette deck. :)
Yeah audacity is my go-to. it's hella.
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Vk3jed on Sat Apr 25 2020 03:44 pm
Yeah audacity is my go-to. it's hella.
It's hella what?
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Vk3jed on Sat Apr 25 2020 03:44 pm
Yeah audacity is my go-to. it's hella.
It's hella what?
MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Nightfox to calcmandan on Sat Apr 25 2020 05:05 pm
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Vk3jed on Sat Apr 25 2020 03:44 pm
Yeah audacity is my go-to. it's hella.
It's hella what?
hella is something people used to say. like asshat
Yeah audacity is my go-to. it's hella.
It's hella what?
... um...
Yes, audacity is my go-to audio editing suite. I find it to be a fantastic option for a FOSS offering.
Better?
On 04-25-20 15:44, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Audacity :) ), once I had obtained a replacement cassette deck. :)
Yeah audacity is my go-to. it's hella.
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Sat Apr 25 2020 08:41 pm
Yeah audacity is my go-to. it's hella.
It's hella what?
... um...
Yes, audacity is my go-to audio editing suite. I find it to be a fantastic option for a FOSS offering.
Better?
I'm familiar with hella.. I just normally see it used like "very", as
in "hella awesome", etc.. Seemed like there was a missing word there.
Vk3jed wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 04-25-20 15:44, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Audacity :) ), once I had obtained a replacement cassette deck. :)
Yeah audacity is my go-to. it's hella.
I love how you can edit to the precision of a single sample, if you
zoom in close enough - That can create seamless edits that I could only dream of when I was younger and trying to make clean edits with a
couple of cassette decks! :)
Vk3jed wrote to MRO <=-
On 04-24-20 16:51, MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
i just had a flashback of the tape being eaten in the cassette deck.
yep, dont miss that
Neither do I. I had that happen last year as I was trying to convert a tape to digital. The cause was a faulty tape deck that had developed a mechanical fault.
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Sat Apr 25 2020 08:41 pm
Yeah audacity is my go-to. it's hella.
It's hella what?
... um...
Yes, audacity is my go-to audio editing suite. I find it to be a fantastic option for a FOSS offering.
Better?
I'm familiar with hella.. I just normally see it used like "very", as in "hella awesome", etc.. Seemed like there was a missing word there.
On 04-25-20 15:44, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Audacity :) ), once I had obtained a replacement cassette deck. :)
Yeah audacity is my go-to. it's hella.
I love how you can edit to the precision of a single sample, if you zoom in close enough - That can create seamless edits that I could only dream of when I was younger and trying to make clean edits with a couple of cassette decks! :)
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Vk3jed on Sat Apr 25 2020 03:44 pm
Yeah audacity is my go-to. it's hella.
It's hella what?
Nightfox
Okay, maybe I'll give that a try. Mine is clearly from shooting guns, going rocks concerts, and playing in very loud bands with insufficient (or no) hearing protection. YOLO. <shrug>
hella is something people used to say. like asshat
As I said in the previous post, you have zero credibility. Hella is quite a
I love how you can edit to the precision of a single sample, if you zoom close enough - That can create seamless edits that I could only dream of when I was younger and trying to make clean edits with a couple of casset decks! :)
Yup, and long ago, Cool Edit was the wide-spread free wave editor before Ado bought it.
i have a lifetime of credibility.
unlike you who crawled out of under some rock.
I'm familiar with hella.. I just normally see it used like "very", as
in "hella awesome", etc.. Seemed like there was a missing word there.
I think the good/cool/awesome is implied when its unstated.
"I've heared it said that way." - Karl Childers
Yup, and long ago, Cool Edit was the wide-spread free wave editor before Adobe bought it.
MRO wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to MRO on Sat Apr 25 2020 10:59 pm
hella is something people used to say. like asshat
As I said in the previous post, you have zero credibility. Hella is quite a
i have a lifetime of credibility.
unlike you who crawled out of under some rock.
Paulie420 wrote to Nightfox <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Nightfox to calcmandan on Sat Apr 25 2020 05:05 pm
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Vk3jed on Sat Apr 25 2020 03:44 pm
Yeah audacity is my go-to. it's hella.
It's hella what?
Nightfox
LOL! i've been asking my kid this for a few years man. i don't think
we'll ever get to the bottom of it.
ahhhh, hella!!
MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Digital Man to Vk3jed on Sun Apr 26 2020 12:53 pm
I love how you can edit to the precision of a single sample, if you zoom close enough - That can create seamless edits that I could only dream of when I was younger and trying to make clean edits with a couple of casset decks! :)
Yup, and long ago, Cool Edit was the wide-spread free wave editor before Ado bought it.
yepp cool edit was good back then. i was just going to mention it but i couldnt remember the name. i used to talk to one of the developers via email in the mid 90s. very nice people.
Nightfox wrote to Digital Man <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Sun Apr 26 2020 12:51 pm
I'm familiar with hella.. I just normally see it used like "very", as
in "hella awesome", etc.. Seemed like there was a missing word there.
I think the good/cool/awesome is implied when its unstated.
"I've heared it said that way." - Karl Childers
:) I haven't really heard "hella" used a whole lot where I am. I
think I've heard the word originated in California?
Yup, and long ago, Cool Edit was the wide-spread free wave editor before Ado bought it.
yepp cool edit was good back then. i was just going to mention it but i couldnt remember the name. i used to talk to one of the developers via email in the mid 90s. very nice people.
What did adobe rebrand it to again? I remember seeing it back in the early days and my old from college used the adobe version while producing radio stuff.
:) I haven't really heard "hella" used a whole lot where I am. I
think I've heard the word originated in California?
You got it. That's where I live and it's commonly used here. So it comes from habit. I also say things are 'cherry.' People don't say 'rad' anymore, but I do.
On 04-26-20 03:04, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah I was there, especially when making mix tapes for that special
girl at school.
On 04-25-20 07:42, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I have albums from the 1980s I listened to over and over again in my
car and in a Walkman, that over the years got flat spots, spots where
the tape had gotten crimped, where it would slow down, and spots where
you became accustomed to the sound wavering.
When I listen to the MP3 versions I replaced them with, I still here
those imperfections in my mind.
On 04-26-20 12:53, Digital Man wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yup, and long ago, Cool Edit was the wide-spread free wave editor
before Adobe bought it.
I tend to like digital formats too (CD and computer audio files). I don't li the hiss and pops and crackles in vinyl. And not too long ago I learned something I never really thought about, that because vinyl records spin at a constant speed, the grooves toward the center of the record don't capture hi frequencies as well as the outer grooves because the inner grooves are short
:) I haven't really heard "hella" used a whole lot where I am. I
think I've heard the word originated in California?
You got it. That's where I live and it's commonly used here. So it comes from habit. I also say things are 'cherry.' People don't say 'rad' anymore, but I do.
I'm picturing Bill & Ted saying things like "Heinous!", "Bogus!", "non-triumphant!" and such.. Did people actually say those things?
Digital Man wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to MRO on Sun Apr 26 2020 11:11 pm
Yup, and long ago, Cool Edit was the wide-spread free wave editor before Ado bought it.
yepp cool edit was good back then. i was just going to mention it but i couldnt remember the name. i used to talk to one of the developers via email in the mid 90s. very nice people.
What did adobe rebrand it to again? I remember seeing it back in the early days and my old from college used the adobe version while producing radio stuff.
Adobe Audition. I don't see a way to buy it outright today, just the subscription scheme. <shrug>
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Nightfox on Sun Apr 26 2020 11:15 pm
:) I haven't really heard "hella" used a whole lot where I am. I
think I've heard the word originated in California?
You got it. That's where I live and it's commonly used here. So it comes from habit. I also say things are 'cherry.' People don't say 'rad' anymore, but I do.
I'm picturing Bill & Ted saying things like "Heinous!", "Bogus!", "non-triumphant!" and such.. Did people actually say those things?
Vk3jed wrote to calcmandan <=-
On 04-26-20 03:04, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yeah I was there, especially when making mix tapes for that special
girl at school.
My interest was just mixing related songs or creating dance tapes,
where you want songs to crossfade in sync. :)
On 04-27-20 11:01, Android8675 wrote to Nightfox <=-
I enjoy vinyl because I like watching the record go around. I once
MRO wrote to Digital Man <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Digital Man to Vk3jed on Sun Apr 26 2020 12:53 pm
I love how you can edit to the precision of a single sample, if you zo close enough - That can create seamless edits that I could only dream when I was younger and trying to make clean edits with a couple of cas decks! :)
Yup, and long ago, Cool Edit was the wide-spread free wave editor before bought it.
yepp cool edit was good back then. i was just going to mention it but i couldnt remember the name. i used to talk to one of the developers via email in the mid 90s. very nice people.
What did adobe rebrand it to again? I remember seeing it back in the early d and my old from college used the adobe version while producing radio stuff.
On 04-27-20 14:24, calcmandan wrote to Vk3jed <=-
My interest was just mixing related songs or creating dance tapes,
where you want songs to crossfade in sync. :)
That sounds hella sweet. I never got that deep into it. But my bro
loved reel to reel for tha tpurpose. He really got into milisecond
editing due to radio timing requirments. Now, they just use automation
tools and digital media to cut the required production hours. His
editing is usually cut down to final edits and proof listening before
the work goes on the air.
Yeah, can't do that with casettes. :D But I have done edits as precise as a single sample (1/44100 th of a second). In one case, I had 2 copies of an old song off YouTube. One was recorded on an old mono VCR linear track (think crap sound, high noise and inaccurate speed), and the other was recorded using a hifi VCR, which meant the audio quality was excellent. However, an announcer talked over part of this recording.
Enter Audacity. First, it was noticed that the two recordings were of significantly different lengths. So I trimmed them to the same start and finish points, worked out the difference and assumed that was due to speed errors on the track recorded on the mono VCR. A couple of iterations and I had the secion I wanted accurate to sub mS precision
Next was to identify the edit points where the lower quality mono copy woyld replace the higher quality one. Muting was the best way to handle this, because that preserved the timing. The lower quality file was trimmed after the last edit point and muted before the first edit point. Minor adjustments to timing were made, so the desited section of audio fitted the timing precisely. Test plays confirmed that there were no audible artifacts. Doing the edits at zero crossings helps too.
Third stage was to set the relative levels of the two files. This had to be done by ear, because the recordings probably had different audio processing, especially AGC. I also may have done some light noise reduction. Not 100% sure on that.
When I was happy, I merged the two tracks and the finished result sounded great. You can pick the edited part, if you listen carefully, because of the different audio quality and higher noise floor, but timing and levels are seamless to the ear. :)
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Nightfox to calcmandan on Mon Apr 27 2020 02:37 am
Shockingly B&T lingo didn't really catch on unless it was used as sarcasim. anta Cruz County. Think Los Gatos to Marin). But talk to surfers for a few m
Spend enough time with a group and you make up your own lingo. Level of unde --
Android8675@realitycheckbbs.o r g
... Disconnect from desire
I still use gnarly, totally awesome, excellent, bogus, and refer to people as dude. Righteous and most heinous get the point across.
Moondog wrote to Android8675 <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Mon Apr 27 2020 11:12 am
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Nightfox to calcmandan on Mon Apr 27 2020 02:37 am
Shockingly B&T lingo didn't really catch on unless it was used as sarcasim. anta Cruz County. Think Los Gatos to Marin). But talk to surfers for a few m
Spend enough time with a group and you make up your own lingo. Level of unde --
Android8675@realitycheckbbs.o r g
... Disconnect from desire
A couple years ago I heard the kids trying to use "Epic" and "Epic
fail." It sounded forced, not like part of their organic language.
I still use gnarly, totally awesome, excellent, bogus, and refer to
people as dude. Righteous and most heinous get the point across.
On 04-28-20 00:56, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-
That's some serious editing. :) I've done some digital audio
splicing, but not to that level. Though, I have done some programming
related to audio recording & mixing multiple audio files together. For
my senior project in college, I made a simple multi-track audio
recorder for musicians. I wrote it in C++ for Windows. It would let
you record invidiual tracks as separate WAV files, and then mix the
audio together to a single WAV file when you're done. And since then, I've made newer itrations of the WAV mixing code, once in C#, and then
in C++ again. The newer C++ mixing code, I actually wrote not too long ago, around November/December 2018. One thing I wanted to accomplish
by writing that again was to write better code, and also to use modern
C++ features. Also, I thought of a way to mix the audio files a bit faster than I was doing it previously.
On 04-28-20 12:33, Digital Man wrote to Moondog <=-
Rad.
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Moondog to Android8675 on Tue Apr 28 2020 12:49 pm
I still use gnarly, totally awesome, excellent, bogus, and refer to peopl as dude. Righteous and most heinous get the point across.
Rad.
digital man
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Moondog wrote to Digital Man <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Digital Man to Moondog on Tue Apr 28 2020 12:33 pm
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: Moondog to Android8675 on Tue Apr 28 2020 12:49 pm
I still use gnarly, totally awesome, excellent, bogus, and refer to peopl as dude. Righteous and most heinous get the point across.
Rad.
digital man
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Mondo Grande
Rad.
Now that's a new one to me.
Nightfox wrote to calcmandan <=-
Re: Re: Tape deck
By: calcmandan to Moondog on Wed Apr 29 2020 12:58 pm
Rad.
Now that's a new one to me.
You've never heard "rad"? As in "radical"?
A couple years ago I heard the kids trying to use "Epic" and "Epic fail." It sounded forced, not like part of their organic language.
I still use gnarly, totally awesome, excellent, bogus, and refer to people as dude. Righteous and most heinous get the point across.
Tracker1 wrote to Moondog <=-It
On 4/28/2020 9:49 AM, Moondog wrote:
A couple years ago I heard the kids trying to use "Epic" and "Epic fail."
sounded forced, not like part of their organic language.as
I still use gnarly, totally awesome, excellent, bogus, and refer to people
dude. Righteous and most heinous get the point across.
I heard a kid a few years ago, say someone was a nub (with an uh sound, n-uh-b), as opposed to noob (ew sound)... progression from newbie to
noob and people not hearing it spoken I would guess. Was kind of wild.
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